Yesha Callahan

EVERY Black Person Needs to Read #BillCosbyHatesYou

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Ever since Bill Cosby was officially charged with second degree indecent assault Wednesday, the debates raging across social media have been fierce. Many saw Cosby’s arrest as the first step toward justice for his alleged victims, while others saw it as nothing more than a racist ploy to ruin an icon.

Though Cosby’s defenders regularly cite his philanthropic work and iconic TV show as proof the legendary comedian deserves better, others took to Twitter to explain why Cosby doesn’t quite deserve Black folks unconditional support.

In the hashtag #BillCosbyHatesYou, folks have been combing through Cosby’s speeches and interviews to point out the actor’s reliance on respectability politics and his disdain, in their opinion, for Black Americans who refuse to assimilate into white culture.

Take a look.

https://twitter.com/FreebandzAjani/status/682663501924593665

https://twitter.com/AbelavsAK/status/682661629843079168

https://twitter.com/AbelavsAK/status/682661195510341632

https://twitter.com/MattyBRocker/status/682655820367171584

Want to dive deep into some of Cosby’s more controversial comments? Buzzfeed published an annotated version of the actor’s infamous “Pound Cake speech.”

  1. December 31, 2015 - Reply

    Maybe these rape allegations are the reason he was going so hard on the black community….deflection. It was his way of making himself feel better about the despicable things he had been doing to so many women. I can imagine him looking at himself in the mirror thinking to himself, “At least my name isn’t Shaquan” or “At least I married my children’s mother” or “at least I don’t live in the ‘hood”.

    Can’t be so quick to throw stones like the ones he was throwing when you’re living in a glass house.

    • December 31, 2015 - Reply

      @FragranceObsessed

      Preach! And happy new year sis

      • December 31, 2015 - Reply

        @Staci Elle

        Happy New Year to you, too sis. I hope it’s a blessed one!

    • December 31, 2015 - Reply

      @FragranceObsessed

      Exactly Sister.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @FragranceObsessed

      what Bill Cosby said was right and what was needed to be said at the time, now could he have chosen better words maybe but what he said was needed.

      • January 4, 2016 - Reply

        @trueletterson*vwfone@gmail.com

        He could’ve said it in an area where no whites or other races were around.He was constantly saying these things in front of the white media.

        • January 4, 2016 - Reply

          @Mrs.J

          good point.

  2. December 31, 2015 - Reply

    Those were very hurtful comments from Bill Cosby

    I remember when he said them. His comments about the black poor especially were not only painful and offensive. They represent the essence of scapegoating the poor instead of inspiring the poor. To judge a black person’s African sounding name as somehow indicative of bad behavior is the essence of self hatred and respectability politics. In fact, we (who are black and born in America) are African Americans. Our ancestry is from Africa and many people from the ghetto do know where Africa is located. Cosby ‘s words on a cop shooting someone over pound cake sound like something that O’Reilly or Patrick Lynch would say. So, Cosby is refuted on many levels. He has lectured the black community on morality and ethical behavior, but he didn’t live up to that standard that he has constantly lectured to others about. Not only is he an adulterer, but he admitted under oath that he brought drugs with the purpose of trying to enact sexual contact with women.. So many women have said that he violated their bodies. His slander of the black community was totally a tactic of him to try to cover up his own hypocritical actions. It’s time to keep it real.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

      no. thas not what he said. he said naming someone shaniqua or mohammed is pointless if youre not going to be a good parent. and he is correct about that.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @freedomisthejungle

        Being a good or bad parent is not limited by income or zipcode. Why would he bring up those names (which he said that these names deal with “crap” beyond just parenting) if he just wanted to talk about parenting. We know that many people use those names as a slick means to mock the black poor. He talked about many issues. He can easily issue alternative advice if he wanted to inspire people. He talks about people with piercings in American poor communities not knowing a thing about Africa, which is classist and false. He wasn’t being a good parent when he committed adultery against his wife. He isn’t a role model when he disrespects black womanhood about his statements about black poor women who desire to provide a way for their children. His pound cake remark mocks the seriousness of police brutality and the mass incarceration state. So, on multiple levels, he’s wrong. We will agree to disagree on this issue.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @freedomisthejungle

        thank you you are exactly right and Bill Cosby was right!

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @freedomisthejungle

        Names don’t get any more mainstream than “William Henry”; did that help his parents to prevent him from becoming a perv who admitted IN A COURT DEPOSITION that he drugged women?

        I have a niece with a name that begins with “Sha—-“; and she is a lovely young lady– a flight attendant, excellent big sister to her siblings, and a great kid. And she does not have an unfortunate history of drug abuse like Bill’s daughter, what is her name again-Erin?

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @vintage3000

          Preach Sister.

          Also, many of the same ones who lecture black people on morality and family values would defend Cosby’s adulteries wholeheartedly. There is nothing dense or thick headed about opposing adultery and disagreeing with a person using the term “pound cake” to make a mockery of the suffering of those who are the victims of police terror. 2016 is here and we will stand up and speak up for what is right.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            You are missing the point – no one is defending Bill Cosby’s adultry. It is not really any of our business -that is between he and his wife.

            This is not limited to preaching to black people. do you recall that amost every politician who was in a position to impeach Bill Clinton was found to have had extramarital affairs and a couple even had a child out of wedlock with the mistress. That is why there is a saying “that when you point the finger at someone, there are three fingers pointing back at you.” It applies to Bill Cosby as well as you and I.

            As for Bill Cosby, he gave an interview to Ebony magazine years before the Cosby Show talking about why he moved his family from California to New York and he talked about the temptations that he was not always able to ignore.

            I only point this out to say that Bill Cosby has many times mentioned that he is not perfect. That was placed on him, so perhaps people should be mad at themselves for putting their feeling and emotions into a person and not just admiring the deeds that a person does and leave it at that.

            OJ Simpson set many records and those records stood for many years and know one should try to take it away from him because he was accused of murder.

            I am just saying we should stop being simplistic about complex situations.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @Jacqueline

              Adultery =/ putting quaaludes in the drinks of unsuspecting women.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @vintage3000

                Great point.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @Jacqueline

              We will agree to disagree on this issue.

              When he props him up as the spokesman for moral values and respectability, then people have the right to expose his hypocrisies. It is as simple as that. Also, people here in Clutch don’t issue passes about Bill Clinton with his adulteries and his neoliberal policies that damaged many people in the black community. No one here gives passes to GOP hypocrites who had extramarital affairs. Bill Cosby acts as a spokesman for moral values. I have no problem with debate. I do have a problem with his pound cake reference and I have issues with his other statements. I haven’t called Bill out of his name. I haven’t talked about him in a way that dehumanizes him. I do discuss about what he has done and what he has admitted under oath.

              Yes, Bill Cosby has admitted that he isn’t perfect. People here just have more sympathy for the dignity of black poor people than the words of Bill about the black poor people. People here have more respect for the humanity of black poor human beings than the references that mock police brutality and political prisoners (when real political prisoners still exist in our generation). OJ Simpson consciously cheated on his first, beautiful black wife. He was acquitted in a trial. Later on, he consciously made a decision to try to other means to try to retrieve items. I have no problem with being analytical about complex situations. I do have a problem with slandering the black poor and some folks in the Internet (not you) just calling over 50 women every name under the sun. We shouldn’t be simplistic about such issues. We should be concerned with the truth and promote the dignity of innocent human life.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                Truth, sometimes the truth is not what we think it is. I have just been pointing that out. I too, as I have said before, was concerned about the tone Bill Cosby used; but I also know that some people can benefit from constructive criticism.

                Bill Cosby and many men like him still see themselves as that poor black kid in Philly, those things stay with you and no amount of money or success can change that feeling.

                Let’s take Bill Cosby out of this, do you know any black men his age? Have you heard any of them talk about these young knuckleheads in a less than flattering way? Be honest.

                Spike Lee and Chris Rock are both approaching that territory. And while I wholeheartedly disagree with Spike Lee equating black Live Matter with the violence in Chicago; there is something to be said for how we are albe to come together over injustices that failed Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin and so many others but we cannot keep a study focus on the work that has to be done in our communities to truly elevate ALL OF OUR PEOPLE. That is the work that I am committed to and I do not come from a poor background and I am a compassionate person, but I am old enough to know that compassion is not just nice words. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

                I also think that our energy should be spent on the least of these. Bill Cosby can take care of himself and those women needed to start taking care of themselves as well.

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @Jacqueline

                  I have read all of your words. Here are my thoughts.

                  For long years, we as a people believe in racial solidarity and I believe it. Yet, black solidarity has nothing to do with unconditional support of every act of a celebrity. The truth is absolute and definite, but I have right to cordially disagree with many of the views of Cosby.

                  The older generation gave us valuable lessons about life, love, social activism,, and community. Yet, cruelty is not my cup of tea. We can be honest, strong, and use constructive criticism to help our community. Yet, his words about the poor and on other points are words that I will never say in public or private.

                  I know black men his age. I don’t recall black men his age saying stuff like that. I do recall people 2 decades younger than Cosby saying similar comments. I do believe in helping the less of these. Part of that is fighting for a living wage, promoting mentorships, and more interventions to help the black poor. Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, etc were people who were the antithesis of the characterizations made by Bill Cosby. We agree that Bill can take care of himself. I can accept the truth. I won’t accept classism or the status quo though. I know many people from poor neighborhoods. One person I know graduated from college and loved her family. Other people made a great difference in their community.

                  At the end of the day, we love our families, we want the best for our people, and we desire black liberation.

                  • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                    @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                    Funny you say you want Black liberation. You might to read the article by Ta-Nehisi Coates called “This is how we lost to the White Man” You would be surprised to find that you and Bill Cosby -want the same the thing.

                    This entire thread is my response to people saying that Bill Cosby hates black people, when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. That is what I am responding to. Facts are facts.

                    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                      @Jacqueline

                      The article from Ta-Nehisis Coates is interesting. I will read all of it later.

                      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                        @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                        I read it when it was first published and it helped give great context towhat really is a century old battle in the black community.

                        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                          @Jacqueline

                          Yes, it is like the debate among Booker T. Washington vs. WEB DuBois that was taught to us in high school. It is just like this debate we’re having in our generation.

                      • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                        @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                        I will read it as well just finished Between The World and Me last week.

                        • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                          @Mary Burrell

                          That’s so cool. I read the article hours ago. I haven’t read Between the World and Me before.

                          Ta-Nehisi Coates is a literary genius.

                        • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                          @Mary Burrell

                          Have a Blessed Day Sister Mary Burrell. Your knowledge is amazing. 🙂

                    • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                      @Jacqueline

                      Jacqueline, I read that article but check out a good article posted today on the philly dot com title “Bill Cosby, Bill Lynn and undue process”.

                      • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                        @trueletterson*vwfone@gmail.com

                        Thank you for this. Great read and basically sums up everything that I think we have been saying. The funny thing is that I had forgotten about Bill Lynn’s injustice and this piece ties them together nicely.

                        I have been hearing more people who are willing to say “hold on let’s not give into a mob mentality and pile-on to score cheap keyboard activists points.” We all (myself included) have a responsibility to not just seek cheap emotional thrills. We are talking about peoples lives and freedom.

                        We all need to be more responsible, lest WE OURSELVES land in a similar postion and become the victim of an injustice.

                        Thank you again.

                        • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                          @Jacqueline

                          thank you for you most eloquent, thought provoking, informative and insightful comments. Peace sister.

                          • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                            @trueletterson*vwfone@gmail.com

                            You are welcome and thank you for the kind words! Peace to you and Happy New Year. May the year bring everything you want and desire!

                            • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                              @Jacqueline

                              thank you and Happy New year to you and yours.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @Jacqueline

              So Bill couldn’t resist temptations, but everybody else should be able to? Imagine if he’d impregnated some of these women, creating baby mommas all over the place, but shaming baby mommas at the same time. Nothing complex about this, even you pointed out his hypocrisy.

              • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                @Joy Kaine

                It’s okay to rape people once you’re rich. You got out of the hood which means you’re unimpeachable, they should give you a holiday!

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            Yes they would, Truth. And if he was a woman accused of adultery (instead of a man accused of serial rape), those same people would be stoning her. Both are wrong, but Cosby is not in trouble for merely stepping out on Camille–his defenders don’t seem to get that.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @vintage3000

              Teach Sister.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @vintage3000

              Well that is not true, many of these women that are accusing Bill Cosby had consensual sexual relationships with Bill Cosby and they also may have induldged in taking drugs with him as part of the sexual act. So from his perspective, it is not rape.

              I think you do not get that this is not cut and dried. You are making this about Bill Cosby, but if you take a step back and think about the entire scenario it is not so cut and dried.

              I do think that some of the women were very mature and played a game and some were very young and naive and were trying to play a big girl game, and did not know how to handle it.

              I speak from experience with very wealthy men and celebrities .

              I will end by saying that I cannot say that Bill Cosby is not guilty any more than you can say he is guilty.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @Jacqueline

                Soooo because Bill said they were consensual, that means they were? All of these women conspired against Bill just because they want to put a brother down? This man, who has been doing this for years and joking about it for years, had all of these affairs where he just had to use these drugs and ALL of the women were ok with it? That is what we are to believe?

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @eLLe D.

                  Hello Sister.

                  Happy New Year Sister.

                  • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                    @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                    Happy New Year Brother Truthseeker. It is a good day for a walk by the lake. Time to set this thing off right.

                    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                      @eLLe D.

                      I feel you Sister. We have to set things right

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @eLLe D.

                  No, the women said they had consensual relationships with him. If you were approaching this with an open mind. You would know that fact.

                  • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                    @Jacqueline

                    Riiight, you’re not biased at all. So what, pray tell, was the case in Philly–the one that started all of this, about? All the women said they were consensual and are now saying rape because what?

                    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                      @eLLe D.

                      the case in Philly is problematic because she kept coming back to see him after he had made previous advances towards her. So perhaps she can say she was naive, but if someone is making unwanted advances toward you , do you keep coming to their home alone under date like circumstances?

                      I know that I would not.

                      You seem to have a hard time understanding that perhaps people have actually been reading about this situation and have actually been reading the details and not following a narrative.

                      There are parts of this that are problematic for Bill Cosby, but it is not as simple as people are trying to make it out to be.

                      If you say that you care about justice, then you should care about justice, but not just when it fits your narrative.

                      Neither you or I know the truth and it is lazy thinking to not realize that 50+ people could have an agenda. Also, he is not accused of raping 50+ women.

                      When people said that they had a near death experience they all said that they saw the same thing a light or a tunnel, yet scientists believe that these same people all heard that they would see a light or a tunnel and convinced themselves that that is what they saw, when they most likely did not.

                      things are not always as they seem, but it is really sad that you cannot see your own biases.

                      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                        @Jacqueline

                        I AM NOT BIASED. I have no agenda, I don’t even believe this man will do time but not because he is not guilty of doing things he had no business-like RAPE. That is the difference between someone like you, and me. You are the ultimate stan and Black man Cape defender and are taking this personally, I am not. He has been accused of rape by at least 50 women at this point, it is a safe bet that somewhere along the way, he messed up to say the least. I have no reason not to believe women who are telling their own stories. Some may be adding it on, but not everyone. What I didn’t appreciate was his disregard for Black folks who don’t live where and how he lives. DO YOU GET IT NOW?

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @freedomisthejungle

        Ethan Couch has a traditional name. He killed four people and paralyzed one.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

      Maybe Cosby inspired all the foolishness that comes out of Rayven Symone.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Mary Burrell

        Cosby and Raven Symone do have similar views on African sounding names. Cosby was once Raven’s mentor. That’s an interesting perspective.

  3. January 1, 2016 - Reply

    Look closer to what’s really going on. Great twitter hashtag….. Smart move.
    Birth of a Nation 2.0

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @Allie

      they are too dense and thick headed to know or understand what’s really going on, that’s why they do their own enemy bidding with ease and think they are doing right!

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @trueletterson*vwfone@gmail.com

        You demonized that little girl who was beaten by a grown man. Now you are gleefully defending a serial rapist who has admitted that he drugged his victims. Shut up.

  4. January 1, 2016 - Reply

    this is stupid. im no fan of rapist bill cosby, but he was CORRECT. if you cant parent, naming your kid shaniqua or mohammed is STUPID. no matter how much you wish otherwise.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @freedomisthejungle

      Mohammed is an arabic name. It has roots, meaning. And if you can’t parent your kid, it doesn’t matter what you name them. You still can’t parent. There are plenty of Aubrys, Derricks and Ashleys who act a fool.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @gg

        good point but Bill Cosby was right and said what was needed at the time!

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @trueletterson*vwfone@gmail.com

          Well, I just disagree. It is what it is.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @freedomisthejungle

      White people name their kids all kinds of unusual names but they’re considered “quirky” or “unique” while our unusual names are considered “ghetto” or “hood”. We shouldn’t have to name our children using so-called white standards, and what you name your child has no bearing on what kind of parent you are or how your child will turn out. There are plenty of “Bobs” and “Susans” in this world who are lowdown, shady and criminal people. Wall Street and Congress are prime examples. So is Ethan Couch, the affluenza kid. It’s just that when something is designated as being black, it’s often considered less than.

      The US has a diverse population. People from different countries and communities give their children names that have meaning to them personally. Just because they’re not “white” sounding doesn’t make them bad. And obviously Bill’s argument is moot: He himself has an “acceptable” name yet that didn’t keep him from cheating on his wife or possible sexually assaulting women. Your name does not determine character or morality–your actions do.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @shybookworm

        Your last sentence just shows the truth in a great way.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @shybookworm

        Thank you, thank you, thank you.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @shybookworm

        I believe Bill Cosby and his wife have always had an open marriage. As adults we should understand this. I believe that Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton have an open marriage and that is their business.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @Jacqueline

          That may be true, but that still doesn’t excuse his weird reasoning on black names nor does it take away from the fact that he used drugs on women to “relax” them without their consent or knowledge.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @Jacqueline

          Your belief does not make it a fact. That’s another thing people like to use as a way to excuse his behavior. Bill and Camille have never said they have an open marriage. Until they do, it is fair to say that Bill was a habitual adulterer.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Ang

            No, but it would only be a logical explanation to Camille Cosby’s silence. She is the only person that knows what goes on in her marriage. Not you and not me. So sure by definition he has committed adultry, but you do not know where she stands on this and her support of him should be seen as an indication that she supports him unequivocally and she has said so.

            That is between the two of them.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @Jacqueline

              No, that is not the only logical explanation. You are confusing a woman tolerating a cheating man with a woman having an explicit agreement that she and her husband can sleep with other people. You are also overlooking the fact that he admitted to obtaining sedatives for the purpose of giving them to women so he could have sex with them.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @Ang

                Well, if she tolerates it she is by default giving agreement.
                I am not overlooking the sedatives, I just know that in the 60’s and even today many people use drugs as a part of the sexual experience and many of these women took the drug willingly, but I am going to let his lawyers sort that out.

                I am speaking to whether it can honestly be said that Bill Cosby hates black people, I do not believe he does. Bill Cosby has been described by many over the years as a Race man.

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @Jacqueline

                  We can agree to disagree on whether tolerating something is the same as giving consent. That’s a slippery slope. You can then say a woman who does not leave her abusive husband is actually giving him consent to punch her in the face therefore we cannot say he committed any wrongdoing.

                  I never said Bill hates black people. I merely pointed out that you cannot say they had an open marriage just because she was aware of his affairs and did not leave.

                  • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                    @Ang

                    Ang- I think domestic abuse is a whole other animal. I heard many years ago that they had an open marriage. It was around the time when the child that he was helping support, even though he knew she was not his daughter, tried to extort he and Camille Cosby.

                    It was said then that she is aware of many things.

                    Over the years, I have marvelled at the bond that is created in long term marriages. I can only speak to what I want, but I will not judge Camille Cosby or Hillary Clinton or any other women on the choices they make in THEIR marriage.

                    Now if domestic violence is involved I would pray that they get out of the situation as quickly as possible, but as we both know that is not an easy situation and does not lend itself to logic.

                    I am actually uncomfortable with the fact that I am even discussing Camille Cosby at all. But I do not think that we should not sleep on Camille Cosby’s strength, it has been said that she is one tough woman.

                  • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                    @Ang

                    Exactly.

  5. January 1, 2016 - Reply

    y’all need to wise up but I won’t hold my breath because this case and others points to just how simple minded the so call educated blacks are, how can you say a man hates you after he spend over a 100 million dollars of his own money to HELP YOU , come on now, Bill Cosby has done what y’all always hollowing and saying what wealthy black folks should do, he has done it, nobody had to force him to give his money to us he did it on his own out of the goodness of his heart, now this is the thanks he get because of a ALLEGATION alone, NO wonder wealthy black people watch how they give you their money to us because they have seen this before, they know even after they have given you their money and energy as soon as adversity comes you black people will join on to theirs and your enemy and help your enemy destroy them, you black Americans have a record of this. Martin Luther King Jr. is next y’all are going to help the wise wicket people in high places destroy MLK Legacy. Watch!

  6. January 1, 2016 - Reply

    Bill Cosby may have made some statements in the past that were indeed true. The black community is wrought with dysfunction and other struggles that we create for ourselves. The problem I and many others have with Cosby and others in position of power (i.e. Eddie Long) is that they put themselves in the position to make harsh criticisms against the black community about how dysfunctional we are only for us to find out that their personal lives are just as if not more dysfunctional than those of us they criticized. And yes, they make hefty donations to various causes and organizations but when their skeletons start slipping out of their closets, it’s hard to be grateful to a hypocrite.

  7. January 1, 2016 - Reply

    What Black people need to do is to get off twitter and stop considering themselves activist because they can follow a witty hashtag.

    Bill Cosby does not hate Black people. He is just like many senior black men who have put blood, sweat and tears into helping the black community rise up,only to see too many of us dissolve into a lazy and criminal culture. Not to mention 100 million dollars. Hell Chris Rock used to have a routine about the difference between Niggers and Nigga’s, it made him rich.

    It is ignorant to say that Bill Cosby hates Black people considering the thousands of black people whose lives that he has changed.

    How many of you can say that you have changed someones life, in the manner that he has?

    There is a saying that only hit dogs holler, so all of you with bruised feelings about his pound cake speech might need to take a look at yourselves. (and i say that as a person who felt that he let his anger and disgust take over when he could have been more compassionate. But there was a hard truth in the what he had to say, it was just the wrong tone.)

    My father is the same age as Bill Cosby and has been retired comfortably for 15 years. He for the last 10 years has talked about black males in particular.His tone has not been as harsh as Bill Cosby’s but the words disgusted have come out of his mouth many times.

    What you people who consider yourselves to be educated are missing is that Bill Cosby and my father lived through some of the worst times for black men and cannot understand how they were able to do something with so little and accomplish things with laws in place to hold them and black women down.

    So you don’t think, that you would not be angry as well, if you have put in the time to help your people?

    My last point, you are willing to let Bill Cosby be mistreated and accused and have people make unknowable allegations that cannot be proved.and have the judges make unethical and unprecedented legal decisions to drag down one man (a black man). You applaud the very same legal system that is denying justice for the everyday black and brown person.

    Sure Bill Cosby, may be a hypocrite for not living a moral life when it comes to his marriage, but aren’t you being hypocrites by thinking that he should not be treated fairly by the very same legal system that you cry about on a daily basis?

    I am not blinded nor prone to narratives and I do not make lazy assumptions.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @Jacqueline

      I am assuming your father did not humiliate a young Black man at his graduation by making him cry about his GPA average?

      “What do you think of a 2.5 average?” Cosby asked.

      “I think it’s decent,” replied Brown, who was recently drafted by pro football’s Indianapolis Colts.

      Cosby snarled back: “2.5 is OK if you have a mental disorder. You should be ashamed of yourself. You should have worked harder.”

      Tears streamed down the 290-lbs. Brown’s face as he tried to defend himself: “I worked hard. I did my best…”

      But Cosby cut him short. “You didn’t do enough.”

      Cosby has a HISTORY of doing outlandish stuff like this to prop himself up as the gold standard of success, going out of his way to hurt random people (read online about how he verbally abused some of the students at Temple University) which is very different than the argument of older Black men who are disappointed in this current generation. I and many others agree with your father that there is an element in many of our communities that is like a cancer. That is a very different mindset from what Cosby has done for decades and he should not get a pass for his crimes.

      And the irony of Black folks like you using the racist justice system approach in this scenario (and yes America is absolutely a vile racist empire, no doubt about that) is that if this was any other Black celebrity, Bill would be the first person crowing about how Black people need to stop expecting handouts from Whites, we should know right from wrong, etc. He even had the GALL to state he did not believe Trayvon Martin’s murder was racially motivated (what do ya’ll race soldiers have to say about that? He probably thought this way because of the child’s name), and this was only several days after zimmerman was acquitted when everyone was still in shock. Cosby deserves every bit of justice coming his way. He is now being judged by the same system he refused to acknowledge as biased, because he was too busy trivializing police brutality by blaming Black people for stealing poundcake.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @vintage3000

        Vintage – bill Cosby was doing what every black father in his generation did. He was pushing him to try harder. Did you not watch the Cosby show and see how hard his character was on Theo. He called him a dummy and that is what alot of black men did with their male children to toughen them up for the world outside. I recall my father saying that our behavior was stupid on occasion and he was right and we got the message.

        That is not outlandsih, that is love. He did not have to say anything to him, he said something because he cared. It is a thing called tough love and he practiced with his own children. You do recall that he had a daughter who became strung out on drugs. That is who Bill And Camille Cosby appear to have been over the years. Straight shooters.

        I feel the same way about his statement about Trayvon Martin as I do about the pound cake speech, but the point he was trying to inarticulately make was that Trayvon Martin would not be dead if it were not for George Zimmerman having a gun. Whether you want to admit it or not, that is a true statement. You cannot leglistate a racial mindset, but you can legislate gun control. Yes, George Zimmerman harrassed Trayvon Martin because he was a black male, but ultimitaly it was the gun culture that killed Trayvon.

        Many Gun control advocates use this tactic to make the desire for gun control more palatable by breaking it down to a common denominator.

        We have got reacting to everything that is said and start thinking.

        As far as justice, well we will see. But don’t be surpised if after all of this hulloboo he is found not guilty, because a jury is responsible to look at the evidence and the law in front of them. Think about that. Michael Jackson was acquitted because of flimsy evidence.

        As far as you saying what Bill Cosby would say about another black celebrity being accused of a crime, I do not recall Bill Cosby making any statments on any of the high profile cases involving OJ Simpson, Michael Jackson, Wesley Snipes, so I think you are speaking from conjecture.

        My point about the legal system, is that you are okay with them doing their dirty business because Bill Cosby hurt your feelings and you have decided he does not like black people and you want to use the legal system to stick it to him. I on the other hand believe that all people are due fairness.

        I cannot demand fairness for my black and brother’s and sisters and then say well you can misuse him because he said something that hurt my feelings.

        I am a consistent person.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @Jacqueline

          J,

          1) No one has “hurt feelings”. That approach is a simple minded tactic used by people who are unable to analyze a topic in shades of grey. Your hero has admitted in a court of law that he “drugged women”, and you are selective about that. I have the ability to understand putting drugs in someone’s drink is suspect, which isn’t being “hurt”, it’s called knowing right from wrong.

          2) I am not in such desperate need of a role model, that I cannot separate a real individual from the character he played on tv. You are actually equating his very public act of humiliation with someone he did not know personally, with a scene from the Cosby show with his pretend fantasy son-smh. Cosby had no business berating this young man about his grades in any venue, especially NOT in front of his graduating class. Would you want someone telling you “you must have a mental defect”? I don’t believe you are able to comprehend that Dr. Huxtable was a character on tv, and not a real person. Cosby dropped out of high school in the 10th grade, a lot of people pull themselves up by the bootstraps (he’s not the only one), and they do not all go around choosing people to hurt publicly.

          3) I don’t circle wagons around Black people who do dirt out of a misguided race solidarity. That is the “no snitching” credo that is looked down upon by law abiding people, and is apparently something else uneducated Black folks (hint) engage in.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @vintage3000

            BOOM.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @eLLe D.

              BOOM yourself, eLLe! You broke it down from a bigger perspective.

              Funny how the Cos’s fan club is unable to refute these points, huh? Their comments always rely on the ‘ya’ll just a bunch of haterz’ juvenile approach. Hero worship can be a dangerous thing.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @vintage3000

                It certainly is Vintage. Happy New Year to you lady.

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @eLLe D.

                  Happy 2016 to you too, eLLe. I am glad to see 2015 leave, in all honesty.

                  • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                    @vintage3000

                    Me too–on to the NEXT.

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @eLLe D.

                  Like they said on Very Smart Brothers had a funny post and full of truth by Damon Young. You Have My Permission To Kick Anyone In The Shins Who Says Cosby Is A Distraction From Tamir Rice.

                  • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                    @Mary Burrell

                    Hilarious!

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @vintage3000

                So someone who has a nuanced point of view is automatically a fan and is engaging in Hero worship? I guess you don’t have the emotional intelligence to comprehend what I am saying.

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @Jacqueline

                  “nuanced view” =/ selective reading.

                  Go enjoy your Natalie Cole tributes.

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @Jacqueline

                  Right you got us beat there./ SARCASM, get it?

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @vintage3000

            Child bless your heart! Not much for reading comprehension are you.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @Jacqueline

              What does Christianity, or even God, say about dismissing someone’s admittedly illegal acts because you want to believe that person is who they present themselves to be? I am sure there is a Scripture for that.

              btw, I’m not your “child”, chick, and save your blessings for yourself. Fake religious concern is another strategy of the uneducated when you are unable to debate matters your preacher didn’t holler about last Sunday.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @vintage3000

                Bless your heart is not a religious saying. It is a sarcastic southern term used when people are being ridicilous as you are.

                And know one has dismissed anything. You might want to take a step back.

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @Jacqueline

                  Here is another saying:

                  Slow your roll, because I do not need to take a step back about anything. Your first comments stated people who have seriously considered the gravity of the accusations against him have “bruised feelings” (what does that even mean, anyway?), in a poor attempt to insult the intelligence of anyone who does not agree with you. Now you call yourself getting mad because you don’t like what is being said to you.

                  Instead of using your brain power to try and make relevant comparisons between Dr. Huxtable and real life situations, you could think about the fact that some people have the intelligence to separate the issues of these serious allegations against Cosby from his angry old Black man demeanor. In the past I actually defended Cosby myself because I also think a lot of Black people need to take accountability for their actions. But I am decades younger than Cosby, and I can still recognize there is a larger perspective that needs to be considered when discussing the socioeconomic conditions of Black people in this country who don’t nearly fit into the Huxtable mold.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @vintage3000

            Humiliating a young black man is the height of being anti-community. Thank you for showing the facts on this issue.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

              I was floored when I read that, Truth. In an updated story it said that guy was hurt about that incident for years, and he went onto have a successful career fortunately. You are right that is anti-community, Cosby’s arrogance hurt a lot of people that day, not just this the graduate and his family.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @vintage3000

                Exactly. I was shocked too when I read that story. I am glad that the young Brother continued to be successful. Our ancestors suffered worse than us, but there is no excuse to disrespect a person like that. Racial solidarity has nothing to do with bashing the poor, hurting a black person with a 2.5 GPA, and mocking the injustice of police brutality at all. Cosby’s actions is a lesson on how integrity and respect for people are excellent principles to love and cherish.

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                  I am glad to know the brother is doing well but he will always have that humiliating day in his psyche. That’s awful,

                  • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                    @Mary Burrell

                    It is awful. For him to be humiliated in a graduating ceremony in front his classmates is totally embarrassing and disrespectful. Certain bad events will exist in a person’s psyche. Such a tragedy is a lesson about how the Golden Rule ought to be followed universally. We all wish the best for the young Brother.

                  • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                    @Mary Burrell

                    He unfortunately passed away a few years ago. It’s a shame he was not able to see Bill’s karmic (and hopefully also criminal) justice.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @vintage3000

                He’s disgusting i didn’t know this he deserves the dragging he’s getting then. Karma is a sharp knife.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @Jacqueline

          “Vintage – bill Cosby was doing what every black father in his generation did. He was pushing him to try harder” you are right but Jacqueline what reasonable people like you and I must understand is most of our young people don’t know or understand this about black fathers, most have not had one actively in their life and is a reason we see to our amazement such mocking and vitriol coming from people who we thought were reasonable conscious black people, we must understand that most of our young black people have problems with adult black males and daddy issues including our President and this is a reason they are joyous when one fall regardless of how much they have contributed to the uplifting of the black community, Jacqueline you will not be able to reason with these people because right now they are having the time of their life.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @trueletterson*vwfone@gmail.com

            Sadly, you are correct. They talk about Ciff Huxtable being a fictional character but either are ignorant of the fact that Bill Cosby and Dr. alvin Poussaint worked very hard to make The Cosby Show as realistic as it could be. That is why it had such a strong pull with middle class black americans. We saw ourselves. I know that although I was a teenager when the show came out, I had heard my father say more than once. ” I brought you in this word and I will take you out.”

            My father wanted all of us to go to a HBCU and Bill cosby and Dr. Poussiant would scribble out any references to Yale and other white institutions and substitute a black college. When NBC objected to that Bill cosby told them this is how it will be or there will be no show.

            It did not get any blacker than that!!! and that does not sound like a man who hates black people.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @Jacqueline

              that is not a man who hates blacks and those black people who say that a man who gives away over a 100 millions dollars of his own hard earn money to black folk is a man who hate black people are either very naive, ignorant, have a agenda or a person who hate themselves. Thank you, I enjoy and appreciate your very wise and insightful commentary.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @trueletterson*vwfone@gmail.com

                Agreed. I think people like to cherry pick.

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @Jacqueline

                  they are serious, and knows no better and as I told my wife today this is not unusual, black America have a history of turning on, helping destroy and throwing hard working black people who have put their life on the line for them under the bus out of fear, lack of knowledge and when they are told to do so by their enemy, I told my wife after reading these comments that next on the liberal establishment list to destroy is Dr Martin Luther King Jr. and when they come after him to destroy his legacy these black folk will turn, jump right on the bandwagon and help the enemy destroy him and actually think they are doing right.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @vintage3000

        If you think a 2.5 GPA is enough you’re a problem and a hindrance to any Black person who comes in contact with you. What do you think an African immigrant would say to their child with a 2.5 GPA? I bet it would be worse than anything Cosby said.

        • January 2, 2016 - Reply

          @Kamala Jones

          Sigh… the reasoning here is well interesting

          Yes My father would not be pleased with a 2.5 Average but that does not give Cosby (especially with his background)the moral authority to publicly shame this man
          1)Bill Cosby was NOT his Dad
          2) That is not a convo to be had on a graduation podium in front of the entire world, the only intent here was to hurt not help
          3) Graduation, Weddings etc are important milestones in life for ever that special memory of the man will be ruined
          4) At least this Man graduated with all Cosby’s wealth and superior parenting his own daughter is a college drop out

          5) As for insulting this mans faculties , his own son was sadly diagnosed with a learning disability fortunately they had enough money for it to be diagnosed and treated
          6) Cosby and wife were both dropouts but with money went back to school later in life
          Incidentally that man he shamed was the first in his family to attend college and much of his struggle was that he had to work almost full time to help take care of his family while studying
          Cosby’s philanthropy does not give him the right to treat people like that

          • January 2, 2016 - Reply

            @blogdiz

            I totally agree with you Sister.

        • January 2, 2016 - Reply

          @Kamala Jones

          For 2016 I promised myself I would not engage in discourse with people who barely have two brain cells to rub together. Have a good day.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @vintage3000

        Oh My! That’s awful.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @Mary Burrell

          I remember reading an article where Oprah said he insulted her the first time they met he told her how awful she looked wearing too much makeup. He has self hate issues.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Mary Burrell

            This is the first time that I heard of something like that. That’s so sad.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Mary Burrell

            He said something similar to Kim Coles.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @eLLe D.

              I didn’t know that. Kim Coles is a gorgeous woman and she recently married a person.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @eLLe D.

              See he’s awful.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @eLLe D.

              That doesn’t surprise me at all Sister.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @eLLe D.

              And Kim Coles is pretty.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @Mary Burrell

                He talked about her weight and the way she dressed as a comedian! And folks respected what he had to say–with his judgemental ass.

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @eLLe D.

                  What a shame. Kim Coles is a blessed black woman. I’m happy for her marriage too. Some people are so judgmental. I thank God that we are very compassionate towards people.

                  • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                    @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                    Me too T~

                    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                      @eLLe D.

                      I agree with you Sister.

                    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                      @eLLe D.

                      You know how much I respect you Friend.

                      You’re a Blessing. So, I encourage you to keep on showing your light, never back down, and I wish even more success in your life.

                      Goodnight Sister elle D.

                      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                        @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                        That is so sweet, thank you friend and God Bless you. I only wish the same for you–Good night.

                    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                      @eLLe D.

                      P.S. Again, it is never a dull moment here at all.

                      God Bless You Sister.

                      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                        @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                        They do keep us on our toes though!

                        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                          @eLLe D.

                          They certainly do. The good news is that we become much more stronger as a product of our experiences.

                          Bless You Sister.

              • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                @Mary Burrell

                Kim is pretty and confident.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Mary Burrell

            Oh my. The nerve.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Mary Burrell

            Well He clearly has a “type ‘ Oprah wasn’t it He also insulted Wanda Sykes as well

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @blogdiz

              Damn-who didn’t this man bother?!

            • January 2, 2016 - Reply

              @blogdiz

              He insulted Wanda so badly there were even White people who felt bad for her. I am not a fan of hers either, but there is such a thing as courtesy and respect and he arrogantly dismissed her on national tv. Just pure hateful.

              • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                @vintage3000

                I didn’t know that. Wow.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @vintage3000

        And yet in the midst of the fallout from the Pound Cake speech Bill Cosby gave the commencement address to inmates in a Connecticut jail who were receiving their GED. So there is that.

        Nothing is as simple as people try to make it. I would think that you would be old enough to understand that.

        • January 2, 2016 - Reply

          @Jacqueline

          Yes, because that totally negates all the ugly things he said previously.

          You have already proven you’re not capable of even Deflection 101, “bless your heart” that you continue trying though.

          • January 2, 2016 - Reply

            @vintage3000

            It has been a lively discussion yesterday. We will not apology for our views.

            • January 2, 2016 - Reply

              @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

              2016 came in with a bang, didn’t it brother Truth.

              • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                @vintage3000

                It certainly did Sister. I like debates anyway. What we won’t tolerate is false statements about what we stand for. We aren’t dense, we don’t follow the liberal establishment, and we love our black community. That slander against us was disgraceful to be honest. Yet, we live and we learn. I’m glad that 2016 is here and we will be better.

              • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                @vintage3000

                I’m about to leave for now. Have a Great, Blessed Day Sister.

                • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                  @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                  You too, Truth!

          • January 2, 2016 - Reply

            @vintage3000

            Have a nice day!

  8. January 1, 2016 - Reply

    Instead of being butt hurt and insulting the intelligence of the people who comment on this site, I am going to need some of you to face it, your man Bill Cosby is not who you thought he was—if he truly cared about Black people as a whole, he would not castigate those who live in lower income brackets or Black youth culture in general. Besides, I am sure in his day, adults didn’t like the way his generation spoke in the streets or wore their clothes either, I am sure some of the elders could not appreciate Fat Albert or the other characters from that cartoon either.

    What some of you die hard fans of the man who could do no wrong don’t seem to GRASP is that BILL is out of touch. To not acknowledge the fact that Institutional
    Racism IS REAL and has EVERYTHING to do with what is going on in Black communities today—not to mention the Illegal Drug Industry that has literally torn
    America-Black communities in particular—apart, is ludicrous.

    AND If all of the men of the “Cos’” generation were so great, then how and
    why do they suppose that poorer Black folks are in the shape they are in?! How did it get this way–Just because?! Just on GP?! Life ain’t never been no crystal
    stair for Black folk, that is TRUE, but how about some reality and acknowledging
    the deliberate practices that have been designed to keep people in a position
    on purpose and that have been driven home and grounded to perfection since the end of slavery?! As is the case with every one of us, some folk fight against this position the system puts us in and some folk wallow in it. I could argue that if more brothers of Cosby’s ilk STAYED in their communities back in the day, maybe there would be more harmony and a positive outlook among those who wallow in the system. But. they. didn’t. stay. And that is their choice.

    Every day we all have the power to choose, but what does it say when your choices are severely limited by your zip code, by your school systems, by the Prison Industrial complex, by the State-sanctioned murderers running amok in the streets, by red-lining policies that were literally designed to keep you down?

    Shitting on your own when you come up is never a good look and it is NOT the way to influence people. And this ninja here has been living a double life; he has been disrespecting and disregarding other people’s values and self-worth for a long time. He has absolutely NO right to chastise others for the things he has done himself. Bill Cosby does hate Black people, but unlike him, I won’t blame his parents. I blame it on the fact that behind all the façade and the money and fame, he really hated the man in the mirror.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @eLLe D.

      I always hated the Fat Albert cartoon.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Mary Burrell

        Happy New Year sis. I mean really, how is that any different from the real life people he continues to criticize today? Who were those characters based on? People don’t THINK-which is a whole nother story.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @eLLe D.

          I hear you sister, I just didn’t like the show at the time I wasn’t thinking about the socioeconomic status of the characters. The show just didn’t appeal to me. You made some very salient points, you get no argument from me on those. The Little Bill cartoon was sweet and I liked that one much better. I think it was hypocritical of him to look down on poor black people when he himself was from a poor neighborhood.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Mary Burrell

            Oh I agree, it is the hypocrisy that I can’t tolerate.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @eLLe D.

              Today is something else. There is never a dull moment here.;)

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                lol!

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @eLLe D.

                  It is what it is Sister. LOL. I know that you’re having a Blessed Day.

                  • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                    @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                    Yes indeed. Freedom. Same for you, I am sure.

                    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                      @eLLe D.

                      Yes, the day has been great for me as well. Freedom is something great. Everything is irie. You are excellent in dropping them jewels like usual Sister.

                      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                        @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                        I saw you over on MN. I had to get out of there. They always leave the gate open over there, it is pointless. But I do hope you enjoy your evening~

                        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                          @eLLe D.

                          You read my mind. I like to go to many sites, but some of the other sites allow the racist trolls to run wild. Here in Clutch, black folks can engage in intellectually stimulating conversations without the massive white racist trolls around. We can show humor, have fun, and just discuss here. Thank you for your great words. I will enjoy my evening. I wish the same for you. You’re a Sweet woman.

                        • January 2, 2016 - Reply

                          @eLLe D.

                          MN can be a bit much at times.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @eLLe D.

          And you are not thinking, you just have convinced yourself you are.

          Peace to you! I am going to go and and listen to some Natalie Cole and recognize her passing.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Jacqueline

            Yea why don’t you take a break? You are way too in to your feelings. I didn’t know about Natalie. I will look into it myself.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @eLLe D.

              Natalie Cole was a legend. What sad news.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @eLLe D.

              Oh my goodness, I didn’t know about Natalie Cole.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @Mary Burrell

                Sad to read about her-

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @eLLe D.

              Elle honey, you are in your feelings. the fact that you cannot take someone having a different point of view.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @Jacqueline

                Well ain’t that the pot calling the kettle. Please take a look in the mirror, sweetie sugar pie.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @Jacqueline

                welcome to the club Jacqueline, be prepared they will get nasty they have no respect for nothing but their enemy agenda!

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Jacqueline

            Her passing ? Natalie Cole died? Oh My!

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @Mary Burrell

              I just the saw the news on the Net. She passed away today. She was such a sweet soul.

              RIP Natalie Cole.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                May she rest in peace.

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @Mary Burrell

                  How sweet of you Sister.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Jacqueline

            the duet of the song unforgettable with her dad always makes me feel so very sad. that song is just incredible. she was a beautiful and very talented troubled soul.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @eLLe D.

          Hope you have a healthy and prosperous New Year

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Mary Burrell

            And you as well 🙂

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @eLLe D.

              Amen Sister. 🙂 Mary Burrell is a great person.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                Both of you are kind, considerate and thoughtful people.

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @eLLe D.

                  Thank you Sister. You are a very intelligent, strong, and great black woman.

                  • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                    @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                    Thank you Brother T.

                    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                      @eLLe D.

                      You’re Welcome Sister elle D.

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @eLLe D.

                  Same to you

        • January 5, 2016 - Reply

          @eLLe D.

          You do know Mr.Cosby himself was one of the characters in that cartoon and the rest were childhood friends and neighbors?so I doubt he was looking down on anyone…but I could be wrong.

          • January 5, 2016 - Reply

            @lis

            My point is it was good enough for him but others who grew up in similar capacities are looked down on- it demonstrates his rank hypocrisy.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Mary Burrell

        Happy New Year Sister.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

          Happy New Year

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Mary Burrell

        lol–sometimes when i mistakenly make a particularly bad typo throughout a sentence, i think to myself ‘that sounds like something Mushmouth would say’.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @vintage3000

          lol at Mushmouth.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @vintage3000

          ROTFL. Hey hey hey lol.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            Truth looks like Cosby is like a classroom in the summer; no class (you’re probably too young to remember that corny joke)– i loved that show, even the theme song -lol

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @vintage3000

              Lol. They used to show that show on Bounce Tv. It originally came on before I was born.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                ‘ It originally came on before I was born.”

                OUCH!

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @vintage3000

                  He’s a youngster

                  • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                    @Mary Burrell

                    Lol. It’s true.

                    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                      @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                      I am impressed at your knowledge about many subjects and your maturity.

                      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                        @Mary Burrell

                        Thank you Sister. I love to describe information on a multiplicity of subjects. We respect maturity and we live to express information that is relevant to our black community.

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @vintage3000

                  I do remember watching Ghostwriter, power rangers, and contact as a child.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Mary Burrell

        Right? I remember seeing part of an episode about five years ago and wondering how it got so popular. It kind of stank.

      • January 2, 2016 - Reply

        @Mary Burrell

        HAHA! “And Fat Albert sucks!”
        *Mary kics Bill Cosby in the shin
        *Turns and runs
        lol

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @eLLe D.

      Well…..

      Clutch should shut this one down after that sister ELLe D.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @FragranceObsessed

        Happy New Year sis, lol, I’m trying not to lose my patience with folk who want to criticize the always thinking, creative and OPEN-minded Black people in this blog space.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @eLLe D.

          Happy New Year! I’m can’t believe some of the folks coming on here using Heathcliff Huxtable to defend Cosby. Really? That was a scripted t.v. show. My children know the difference between an actor and real life.

          Anywho, I wish you a prosperous year!

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @FragranceObsessed

            Same to you!

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @FragranceObsessed

            Some of us older folks remember Cosby from a whole lot longer than Heathcliff . We grew up with him on Fat Albert. We met him and talked to him at our college gradations, we have watched the positive things he did up close and in person.

            We are disappointed for a whole host of reasons and and not just because of a tv character.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @Brad

              Be disappointed, a lot of us are, but that should not get in the way of facts or serious charges. And it should not be used as a means to put others down who don’t even exist in the same stratosphere as someone like him who “made it” and is a multi-millionaire. Filthy rich folks lose touch with the struggle and want everyone to automatically do as they do like it is that simple. It ain’t that simple. Dismantling policy is what we need and it has not occurred yet but looking down from on high looks especially ridiculous when your (in general) own back yard is full of skeletons.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @FragranceObsessed

            Actually, it was a scripted show that had a definite point of view and was purposeful in the dialouge and image that the characters portrayed. Dr. Alvin Pouissant worked on the show for that reason.

            So perhaps it is you that lacks understanding.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @eLLe D.

      You can drop the mic after the magnificent comment Sister.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

        Trying to hold it down Brother T.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @eLLe D.

          You always do Sister. 🙂

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            😉 I keep good company.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @eLLe D.

              Ok 😉 2016 is certainly a year to be reckoned with.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @eLLe D.

          That was good sister eLLe D.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Mary Burrell

            Thank you sister.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @eLLe D.

      “Every day we all have the power to choose, but what does it say when your choices are severely limited by your zip code, by your school systems, by the Prison Industrial complex, by the State-sanctioned murderers running amok in the streets, by red-lining policies that were literally designed to keep you down?”

      Perhaps you have a hard time comprehending that Black men from Bill Cosby’s/my father’s generation faced worse circumstances than people do now. So I ask again, how you cannot see how he and many men his age might not feel very charitable about the choices that people make.,

      I am able to take Bill Cosby’s celebrity out of this conversation. I find it funny that you and other’s keep glossing over it and making childish digs because someone is actually thinking about the situation and not reacting.

      I do not idolize Bill Cosby any more than I would idolize you. Not my style.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Jacqueline

        You must be experiencing cognitive dissonance then because surely your words sound like you worship the ground this man walks on. I did not even speak about his particular celebrity. I am talking about so-called educated people who were able to escape their “circumstances” staying with their families in the communities they look down on today. They didn’t stay did they? And so because some people make it and others don’t, that means what? So Bill and your dad, with whom you keep linking together, they had it worse than slaves? Do you even know what your point is? Help me find it.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @eLLe D.

          LOL

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Jacqueline

        I do agree. I actually loved the Cosby Show and felt it had a good, positive message. It was a collaborative effort by many people and will sadly be tainted because of Bill Cosby’s actions.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @eLLe D.

      poor old bill — he just forgot he’s black …

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Rizzo

        LOL. SMH.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @eLLe D.

      Say that ish again!

  9. January 1, 2016 - Reply

    I have always believed he was a snob and looked down on poor black people.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @Mary Burrell

      He was a poor black kid from Philly and a poor black kid in a very segregated country,

      I think that is what made him a bit more salty as he got older.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Brad

        I always thought his public demeanor changed after the family tragically lost Ennis.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @vintage3000

          Nikki Giovanni mentioned that as well I remember reading that in a piece she did in Ebony magazine chiding him for his disrespectful “Pound Cake” speech.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Mary Burrell

            Hmmmmm never heard that before you may be on to something indeed..

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Brad

        Happy New Year

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @Mary Burrell

      He is a snob who looks down on black people who are not much different than he would have been if he had not made it in Hollywood. While he was lecturing people about raising their kids did anyone criticize his parents regarding him failing the 10th grade then dropping out of high school? Did anyone ever ask “Mr. Family Values” why he spent so much time hanging out at the Playboy Mansion? Even when he made valid points he could have expressed them differently. When you want to help people you don’t make them feel like dirt in the process. Many of his views sound like things racists whites use to discriminate against blacks. For example, it’s a major leap to say people with certain kinds of names are all in prison. It is also a fallacy that certain types of behavior are limited to blacks and low income people. He’s an affluent man with a stay at home wife but his daughter still had a drug problem at a young age. I’m not opposed to people addressing issues in the black community and trying to help people. But the manner in which one goes about it is very telling of his own character.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Ang

        Amen.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Ang

        Exactly, There is a way to say things.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @Mary Burrell

          There is when you actually give a damn about the people you are talking to.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Ang

            Exactly.He didn’t do this in a way that showed he loved his black people. Especially with the skeletons in his closet. Maybe success blinded him and he forgot where he came from.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Ang

        I never heard about him failing 10th grade or dropping out of high school. Maybe that’s why he was all about education which is a good thing, Ennis i believe i read had a learning disorder, I also read one of the daughters attended Spelman but didn’t graduate.But he was trying to come after poor black people.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @Mary Burrell

          I heard of him failing the 10th grade. He also went into the Navy and then he was on TV in I-Spy. Ennis was a courageous young Brother who worked very hard in his life. Certainly, I disagree with Cosby’s views on poor black people. We learn many lessons on life. One of those lessons is recognizing the importance of education while showing compassion to the poor.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            That’s it in a nutshell

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @Mary Burrell

          I read that he was kicked out of a prep school he was bused to because the curriculum was too rigorous for him then he failed out of his local H.S. He dropped out because he did not want to repeat the 10th grade. He apparently couldn’t focus on school because he had to work after school to help his family. He only got his H.S. equivalency certificate after he joined the military. It took him a long time to get his college degree as well. I believe he dropped out and went back years later. Camille dropped out of college at 19 to marry Bill and went back in her 30s. I understand people go through things in life and have to make the best of their situations. It takes some people longer to gain an appreciation for education. I don’t have a problem with that. My issue is that bill would have people believe that he has always lived the life he preached about. You can’t drop out of college then lecture someone else about their GPA during their college graduation. People with good grades don’t drop out of college. With his background, he could have used his story to inspire people rather than humiliate them. He knows first hand what it is like to have to work at a young age and how hard it is for some people to make it through school. His total lack of compassion is bad enough. But the fact that he has so much in common with some of the people he criticized the most is beyond ridiculous.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Ang

            Yes, exactly. This whole ugly thing could have been done differently. What he did was reprehensible.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Ang

            Teach Sister.

            With his story, Cosby could speak about how just because your name is Tariq or Shanequa doesn’t mean that you are inferior. He can speak that if he can get a degree, any poor person can get a degree. He can speak about integrity and about how we should stand up against institutionalized racism simultaneously.Yet, Cosby didn’t talk about that. It is unfortunate that same people even from poor neighborhoods want to mock the poor. There are many people in IG accounts using memes that mock and disrespect the black poor since the poor lack tons of monetary resources. We aren’t born with money and in the end, we will not have money to spend. Therefore, the values of solidarity, community, and the love of improving society are things that we adhere to.

            When his life story is so similar to the folks that he criticizes, but he or Bill still issues unwarranted, offensive stereotypes about the poor (that a person like Rush Limbaugh would spew). That is highly wrong. The young person, who graduated from college, that he berated never dropped out of high school or college. He did the best he could and he graduated. Graduating from college is no easy feat.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

              I had no idea that things like that occurred in IG. That is truly sad. Nothing good comes from putting other people down in order to lift yourself up.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @Ang

                You’re right. Karma is real. Recent events show how Karma doesn’t play. We can lift ourselves up without disrespecting others. No one is an island. People have established successes in their lives with the influences directly or indirectly from others.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @Mary Burrell

          I didn’t know his daughter did not graduate from Spelman. I am surprised he allowed his daughter to quit school. I wonder if that is the same daughter he stopped speaking to because of her drug use.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Ang

            I just remember reading on another site where some comment.s posted his daughter went to Spelman and didn’t graduate, they were angry about all the ugly statements he made about the poor black community.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @Mary Burrell

              He’s just a hypocrite, plain and simple.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @Ang

            Dang, he stopped speaking to his daughter? i understand wanting excellence but he forgot he wasn’t that great in school so he put pressure on his kids. I guess people see their kids as an extension of themselves,

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @Mary Burrell

              He didn’t speak to her for years. He said she started using drugs when she was a teenager and was an irresponsible adult. He said she couldn’t come home because she needed tough love. There were rumors that Bill sold a story of her drug use to prevent a bad story about him from coming out.
              She’s the one who said she was raped by Mike Tyson.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @Ang

                I seem to remember that that was a crazy time with lots of confusion.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @Mary Burrell

              Bill Cosby and his wife worked very hard to free their daughter from drug abuse. She began stealing from the family and brought danger into their lives. Many parents of many income levels have had to make this decision. They raised their child and she did not make the right choices.

              They have since reconciled. Because she got herself together.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @Jacqueline

                Well that’s good to know.

                • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                  @Mary Burrell

                  Yes, it is. I have read too many stories of families that lose that battle with a child. Whitney Houston comes to mind, it is horrible to lose a child, but it would be horrible to watch a child head to a certain and avoidable death.

                  Also, Happy New Year to you as well. I saw that you wished all the commentators on clutch a Happy New Year!

                  • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                    @Jacqueline

                    Mary Burrell is a sweet woman. Regardless of this discussion, we are all family as black people. Every single black person here reminds me of my relatives in real life.

                    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                      @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                      Yes she is. But I think this type of discussion can only be had as a family. We are part of an extended family and I believe in cultural responsibility. Even if I am not happy with someone in my family, I will fight for them.

                      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                        @Jacqueline

                        Part of that responsibility is accountability and to make sure that those who abuse the lives of others are held accountable for their actions.

                        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                          @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                          And another part of that responsiblity is to not accept accusations as fact without doing a full investigation.

                          You do not know know me, but I can assure you that I am a fair person. If that means I have the unpopular view on this site, then so be it. But I have a mind of my own and I use it.

                          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                            @Jacqueline

                            You have every right to your views. People who disagree with you have the subsequent right to outline their views as well. Also, people are involved in investigations right now formally and informally. I believe in due process. Part of that due process is to not call over 50 people derogatory names as some (not you) have done. What I don’t agree with is about the rash stereotypes about the black poor while some ignore the studious, judicial actions of many of the black poor. I also disagree with a man embarrassing a young Brother in a graduation ceremony. That reality refutes the erroneous characterizations (made by many) of the black poor collectively.

                            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                              @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                              So Truth, have you never made a mistake in your life?

                              Said something that was received as an insult, but perhaps you felt as if you were helping someone?

                              We are all the sum of our parts.

                              • January 1, 2016

                                @Jacqueline

                                I think those questions that you have posed signify what your views are.

                                People have the right or agree or disagree with your views. That is my point. Just because people disagree with you doesn’t mean that they are pretentious or claim perfection. Just because people disagree with you doesn’t mean that they desire to ignore issues in our community. Yet, I do recall some of the anti-black poor bashers (not you, but others) desire to believe in the same disrespectful views of the poor that has been spewed by the far right and by white supremacists. Tons of black people will never make a mockery of police brutality in a speech or buy drugs for the explicit purpose of having sex with women either. That’s true as well.

                                Also, I will never degrade a Brother in public because of his GPA either.

                              • January 1, 2016

                                @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                                No, I was asking you an honest question. You are tearing this man apart based on your interpretation of what he said. so I asked you if you have ever hurt anyone.

                                I think it is a legitimate question, and was not asked to put you on the defense but to point out that you cannot ask for compassion from someone if you are not willing to give it.

                              • January 1, 2016

                                @Jacqueline

                                You have the right to ask the question.

                                I never said that you didn’t have the right to do so. My answer to the question is I have made mistakes, but I never committed adultery and I don’t berate students because of their GPA. I didn’t tear down this man. I outlined his actions and what he admitted under oath. I never disrespected this man personally or called him out of his name. I disagree with much of what this man has said directly. Disagreement is not necessarily synonymous with tearing someone down unfairly.

                              • January 1, 2016

                                @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                                But do you know what his intent was with the student?

                                At the end of the day, Bill Cosby only has to answer to his God and possibly his wife.

                                So sitting behind a keyboard and ticking off his perceived trespasses, is really neither here nor there.

                                I am diverting my attention back to more important matters.

                              • January 1, 2016

                                @Jacqueline

                                We both agree that he will answer to God and to his wife. Individuals have the right to their views. I know exactly what his intent with his actions in dealing with a young person who graduated from college. Tons of people are using a keyboard constantly in the world including you. I will discuss about many issues. At the end, what is important is the truth.

                              • January 1, 2016

                                @Jacqueline

                                these people are nothing but pawns in the hands of the far left wing liberal establishment and I suspect socialist, their is no reasoning with them.

                              • January 1, 2016

                                @trueletterson*vwfone@gmail.com

                                Pawns sir not ponds.

                              • January 1, 2016

                                @Mary Burrell

                                Exactly Sister. It is a shame that people want to assign false statements about people who disagree with them.

                              • January 1, 2016

                                @Mary Burrell

                                thank you

                              • January 1, 2016

                                @Mary Burrell

                                LMAO!

                              • January 2, 2016

                                @Mary Burrell

                                I doubt he knows the difference between the two words.

                              • January 1, 2016

                                @trueletterson*vwfone@gmail.com

                                People have the right to have a diversity of views here. Many folks who disagree with you are not puppets or pawns of the liberal establishment. Many people here criticized Hillary and Obama on many issues. A lot of people here are political independents. These people are not dense, nasty, or want the collapse of black community. The black poor are the victims of oppression not the originators of it. You mentioned that many people here don’t respect anything but the agenda of the enemy, which is an outright falsehood and that is beyond the pale. People like vintage3000, elle d, gg, Ang, Mary Burrell, and other great black people here are opposed to the enemies’ actions (like police brutality, racism, sexism, misogynoir, economic injustices, imperialism, and other evils). People here are not pawns, but grown adults (who helped out black people in many ways in real life) who have the right to outline their views without shame just like you. What is apart of real reasoning deals with condemning police brutality and standing up for economic justice. Also, I have a lot of quotes of Black Panthers, Dr. King, Malcolm X, etc. condemning mainstream capitalism and believing in a radical change in society too.

                                This comment is to set the record straight and defend people like Elle d, Vintage3000, Ang, and other great people here.

                              • January 2, 2016

                                @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                                Thank you Truthseeker, you are a true gem!

                              • January 2, 2016

                                @eLLe D.

                                You’re Welcome Sister. I have your back. Enjoy your Day Sister.

                              • January 2, 2016

                                @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                                And you as well-

                              • January 1, 2016

                                @trueletterson*vwfone@gmail.com

                                Sounds awfully familiar-like a true faux (FOX) noise viewer.

                              • January 2, 2016

                                @eLLe D.

                                Right on Sister.

                              • January 1, 2016

                                @trueletterson*vwfone@gmail.com

                                Pawns of the Liberal Establishment because we disagree? You know what, this is insulting. It insinuates that we are a homogeneous hive mind, that to be truly black we all have to agree on the same thing. We have save our “leaders” even if they are problematic because you know, leaders!

                              • January 2, 2016

                                @gg

                                Amen Sister. I totally agree with you.

                              • January 2, 2016

                                @trueletterson*vwfone@gmail.com

                                It is ironic that you claim that people who disagree with you are pawns in the hands of left-wing liberal establishment whilst parroting the very words that the morons on Faux news, who are unapologetic white supremacists and are completely unreasonable.

                                FYI it is also “there” not “their”

                              • January 2, 2016

                                @Reina Benoir

                                FYI it is also “there” not “their” thank you for the correction.

                  • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                    @Jacqueline

                    Happy New Year

  10. January 1, 2016 - Reply

    Although I think Mr. Cosby did indeed commit inappropriate acts on these woman and any and every one has a right to judge him on that.

    I for one have no issues with many of the things and criticism this man had on for the black community. Many of the comments and criticism he had on the community can be read any day of the week, here on Clutch.

    Maybe he was a bit heavy handed with some of the comments he made. But, with all the money, time, and energy he spent trying to uplift the black community I have to give him some credit.

  11. January 1, 2016 - Reply

    Happy New Year to all Clutch commenters.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @Mary Burrell

      You too, Mary! It’s such a joy reading your comments, along with many others.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Noirluv45

        I agree with you Sister.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Noirluv45

        I always enjoy reading you Noir.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @Mary Burrell

          Thank you, Mary!

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Noirluv45

        Also, Happy New Year to you.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @Mary Burrell

      Happy New Year!!

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @Mary Burrell

      You are always so gracious and sweet.

  12. January 1, 2016 - Reply

    I believe Bill Cosby is a rapist who told the truth about the trifling segment of Black American people. People who I have no connection to.

  13. January 1, 2016 - Reply

    People need to stop saying Bill Cosby was this perfect role model. Surely his family life did not reflect the image he portrayed on screen. One of his daughters was a former drug addict who allegedly was assaulted by Mike Tyson, there were reports that he was never at home with his kids since he was too busy with his career to actually parent them, he was never faithful to his wife and now what we thought was just adultery may have actually been much darker. People are so sensitive to the white gaze, that they praise a fictional character and make him real. Bill Cosby is not Healthcliff Huxtable. Sorry to burst your bubble. And if you think that leaving behind poor black people who are not “respectable” enough is going to help the black community, you are naive. It doesn’t matter if you LaQuan from the hood or Malcolm who graduated from Columbia, white supremacy does not give a damn about you. It’s meant to control and ultimately destroy you. You have to over throw a white supremacist structure not work within it. Did we forget Sandra Bland had a master’s degree, on her way to job interview to work as a college professor and she still ends up dead all because she was not “respectable” enough to the cop? She was educated not Dra’Keshia from the hood. So it does not matter. I’m not going to throw a whole segment of people under the bus, call them embarrassing or trifling and forget their humanity in the process. White people do the same to us middle class educated blacks on a regular basis, say you are not like those other blacks until you do something they don’t like, and then we cry cause they don’t see us human anymore.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @gg

      Lastly, fuck anybody who denigrates poor black people to feel better about themselves when you are two paychecks away from being poor.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @gg

        SPEAK THAT.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @gg

        Word!

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @gg

      I agree with you.

  14. January 1, 2016 - Reply

    Fvck Pill Cosby.

  15. January 1, 2016 - Reply

    IMO, the issue is that most can’t see the man behind the Celeb. We, as black people, have a tendency to put black Celebs on pedestals.
    Regardless of his achievements in stardom, Mr Cosby has a serious, perverted problem. This man rendered women unconscious and sexually assaulted them.
    I find his pound cake rhetoric and his arrogant, condescending remarks on black people in the city offensive and deflective because I was raised in the inner city and proud of it!.
    My father is a 77 yrs old, educated black man and has never talked down to black people in his entire life, so its not generational. I have relatives with so-called “ghetto” names, that live in the hoods of NY and Philly, who haven’t had the opportunities that I’ve had and I do not criticize or marginalize them either!
    This is not the fictional Cliff Huxstable in Bed Stuy, this is Bill Cosby and if I’m not mistaken he’s from Philly, so he should know better!
    He brought this heat upon himself and as far as I’m concerned, he can choke on his pound cake rhetoric, because he knows nothing about the daily struggle of black people in this country, especially the inner city! Word is bond!

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @Chazz A

      Word! Happy New Year.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @Mary Burrell

        Happy New Year my sister!

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @Chazz A

      Exactly Brother.

      Happy New Year.

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

        Happy New Year to you and the Fam Brother Truth!

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @Chazz A

          Thank you Brother.

    • January 1, 2016 - Reply

      @Chazz A

      Say Word Brother Chazz, Happy New Year to you and yours!

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @eLLe D.

        Peace and respect to you and the fam my sister

        Happy new year!

      • January 1, 2016 - Reply

        @eLLe D.

        Good Evening Sister.

        You’re an incredible person with your great wisdom.

        • January 1, 2016 - Reply

          @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

          Good eve my wise Brother, back on it! These phone updates keep me in the know lol.

          • January 1, 2016 - Reply

            @eLLe D.

            Phone updates are something. LOL. You know how I roll. 🙂 I will keep on analyzing information, loving wisdom, and defend the truth.

            • January 1, 2016 - Reply

              @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

              Indeed brother, indeed. You are a great warrior, we need men like you in these days and times.

              • January 1, 2016 - Reply

                @eLLe D.

                Thank you. During this year, I will definitely research more on the African Diaspora. We are going to forever be in favor of the advancement of good.

  16. January 1, 2016 - Reply

    These comments from Cosby are the same comments that racist white people & bigoted immigrants in the US use to put African Americans down. My sister always says that all people are the same, we just behave differently under different circumstances. African Americans may be struggling with poverty & high crime rates in some neighborhoods but the reason isn’t because they are lazy or not motivated, the reason is that they are struggling with wide-spread systemic racism while trying to recover from years of abuse in a system of white supremacy. It is a cycle that is hard to break & can only be broken by those who have made it (like Cosby) mentoring & giving back to the community & encouraging, not by putting others down. As someone living in Canada, I see similar patterns among aboriginal Americans here & it’s not because either group is not smart, it is what they have gone through and are struggling with. & I would expect elders of the African American community like Mr. Cosby to be sympathetic to the plight of their people & encourage them rather than harshly criticizing them- especially when they fail to say a word about the racist system these people struggle in. Mr. Cosby is friends with politicians & other people in authority who keep this racist system in place but he has never chided them in public only the poor black woman who is struggling, why? When you mock single mothers who have been abandoned by their partners & are just trying to survive or you mock someone who calls their child “Shaniqua” because they can’t identify with the Western name they were forced to use what do you hope to achieve? Is it ok for a police to shoot someone to death because they were hungry for a “pound cake” & took it? This is so sad.

  17. January 2, 2016 - Reply

    Personally, I have to agree with much of what Jacqualine is saying. I find the recent fervor over the “pound cake” speech to be hyperbolic and convenient. It’s like pouring salt in the wound, or akin to getting extra pitchforks and torches after finding out that, in addition to committing some heinous crime, some evil dude also stole candy from babies. “OMG, HE STOLE CANDY FROM BABIES TOO!?!?!?”

    I’m content to judge Bill Cosby over his assault of women. This speech does not negate the millions upon millions that Bill has contributed to education and arts philanthropy or the countless jobs given to blacks and POCs on Bill’s productions. It doesn’t cancel out the impact that “A Different World” had on boosting enrollment at HBCUs, It doesn’t even come close to erasing the indelible impact that the “Cosby Show” had on raising the profile of black Americans in the US or its defacto role in helping to elect the first bi-racial POTUS.

    This speech did not affect public policy. There haven’t been any “pound cake” laws made because of what Cosby said, and if you ask me, it’s not affecting white attitudes about blacks. They’re not the ones referencing it, en mass. The real culprits, who continue to breathe life into this decade old speech and its implications are BLACK. Twitter black-tivists (who do their activism on social media exclusively), black interwebs, social media, etc. That’s whose really keeping this going, and for what? We get it. He’s a rapist, and he should be punished accordingly, but all this other ish, that’s so unbelievably irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, is so stupid and extra.

    • January 2, 2016 - Reply

      @uhoh-ohno

      I feel you. But at the same time, donating money and creating tv shows don’t cancel out his personal views. I still watch A Differnt World reruns on TvOne. I can appreciate the shows and their positive impact and still acknowledge that Bill Cosby has problematic views in real life. I can like the work he has done and still question some of his character traits as a person. I think we have a problem in society, especially when it comes to celebrities, of thinking that everything has to be all or nothing. As if someone is either all good or all bad. People think that liking someone or being a fan of their work means you have to like everything they do or you have to find someway to rank the bad things they have done against the good. But that is a problematic way of viewing people. Sometimes good people do bad things. Somethings bad people do some good deeds. Racists have donated to the United Negro College fund but that doesn’t cancel out their feelings of superiority to blacks.

      I don’t agree with reveling in Cosby’s demise out of anger from his speeches. Personal feeling should not alter anyone’s view on someone’s potentially criminal behavior. But, the recent reactions to the pound cake speech is not just some convenient hyperbolic fervor. People have felt this way for some time. He did not just say these things once. There is nothing wrong with people pointing out that Bill Cosby may not be who he portrayed himself as for years, especially since some people refuse to believe that the man who created the Huxtables is capable of even spitting in the ground.

      • January 2, 2016 - Reply

        @Ang

        Cosby’s donations, foundations, TV shows, scholarships >>>>>>>>>>> pound cake speech. And that’s real.

        • January 2, 2016 - Reply

          @uhoh-ohno

          But what does that mean? Are we not allowed to speak about his speech?

          • January 2, 2016 - Reply

            @Ang

            You said that donating money and creating tv shows doesn’t cancel out Cosby’s personal views. I say that his philanthropy and TV shows do outweigh his pound cake speech.

            • January 2, 2016 - Reply

              @uhoh-ohno

              Okay. I can see how some may feel that way. But, that does not mean people cannot discuss what he said and have to pretend like it never happened.

        • January 2, 2016 - Reply

          @uhoh-ohno

          Stealing passed out womens P*m P*m cake.>>>>>>>>>>>>> stealing actual pound cake

  18. January 2, 2016 - Reply

    I dont really agree with this hashtag & dont think he hates black people , I just believe his journey from rags to riches has made him smug and condescending and yes there are some tough truths that our community needs to get but IMO his delivery is alienating (i,e I’ve stated below how I felt about Cosby shaming a young graduate on stage at his graduation)
    Like many of his ilk , he believes ” if I can make it so can you” which is fine but the delivery of this message could be more effective.For instance He seems to rarely talk about his failures but imagine telling young people “I failed at school in both prep and high school but never stopped trying to complete my education” or to parents struggling with way ward kids “listen with all my best effort my daughter ended up on drugs and If I can give her tough love you can too”
    There are ways to inspire people and there are ways to shame say what you will about Oprah but her candid sharing of her childhood abuse helped a lot more people seek help for healing versus her ranting about “fast tail girls ”

    I think the whole “Pound cake ” and his other utterances are being rehashed because of the sheer hypocrisy of his moral posturing against the heinous nature of his alleged crimes.In fact ironically this is what led to his indictment as as the Judge released previously sealed documents with the rationale that since Cosby has established himself as a moral authority in the community he is now a public figure that exceeds celebrity and the info no longer private

    • January 2, 2016 - Reply

      @blogdiz

      Well said.

  19. January 2, 2016 - Reply

    Okay, look… I’m white. I shoplifted… a lot… when I was a young teenager. Got caught twice. In neither of those situations was a gun pulled on me. In neither of those situations did I even have any contact with the police! Do you think I would’ve been given the same treatment if I were black? I think Michael Brown and Tamir Rice pretty much prove that I wouldn’t have. Hell, if I were black there’s a good chance I wouldn’t have even been able to walk through my neighborhood at night with a bag of skittles!

  20. January 4, 2016 - Reply

    Cosby was correct in his criticism of certain behaviors in the community, Cosby is a sick pervert, Cosby does what actors do – he pretends. None of these things are mutually exclusive. As for the list of things Cosby hates, not all black people fall into those categories.

  21. January 5, 2016 - Reply

    I want to thank Jacqueline and Trueletterson for making me rethink some things and I especially thank True for the comment about how Blacks take and take from their heroes/champions and then oftentimes leave them out to dry? forget about them when the going gets tough…I’ve heard that before about our civil rights heroes….many were used up, forgotten about or their families were when they were killed or exiled or got old….I.e Malcolm X’s family were left on their own..Martin Luther King, etc…and I wonder how is Assata Shakur. …..or Stokely….or countless others….I’ve even heard only White radicals care or even remember many of them..dead, in exile or prison…..sigh…We do have a track record of this…THANK YOU for reminding me…and getting me to think….and reevaluate what I’ve said and written about his latest troubles…..You both touched me more than that Coates article.

    I also don’t understand why so many Blacks are taking what Bill Cosby said personally…including the pound cake talk…..from everything I’ve heard him say he’s absolutely correct…..it’s obvious he’s speaking out of frustration and anger and love and pride and hurt….and he’s using metaphors to make his points…….and, yes, he knows that racism and inequalities exist in all parts of America….and yes, inspite of it all he’s saying Blacks can still help and police themselves. …If he didn’t care he wouldn’t have said anything, given his money or time to Blacks….That man did a lot to help and encourage Blacks because he has faith and confidence in Blacks…even if he doesn’t use the most delicate words to get his points across…oh well…even those fake outraged knew what he meant….that man came up at a time when as Chris Rock says, there wasn’t any sitting at the back of the bus…Black people WERE the bus (or something like that)…..meaning he doesn’t have time to hold adults hands..please….
    His adultery?…between him and his wife……
    As for insulting some Black female entertainers…well he could have used other words and not done it publicly but….have you ever seen old pics of Mr and Mrs. Cosby and the other older Black
    entertainers from his day…..They were class, grace, glamour, taste, and beauty PERSONIFIED!….Where are our modern day Lena Hornes, Dorothy Dandridges, or Pam Griers?etc etc….Have you ever seen a young Ruby Dee? CecilyTyson? …Hollywood(why can’t Blacks leave Hollywood to the Whites.let them keep it …but that’s a different story for another day) did them dirty…but they always brought IT!….beauty, grace, class…..That’s Mr. Cosbys foundation and what he revers….I know people will disagree with me and that’s cool….but from now on ill keep quiet when Bill Cosby and the alleged sexual assaults come up.

    • January 5, 2016 - Reply

      @lis

      As for the names Blacks give their kids….someone said mr. Cosby was alluding to the fact that Blacks give their kids these grand and memorable names but what’s the point if they don’t also parent and make their children into useful and productive members of society….I agree with that assessment and I also agree that rap music and it’s culture magnified and exacerbated the problems….As does Mr. Cosby

      • January 5, 2016 - Reply

        @lis

        Amen, say it and tell it from the mountain top!

    • January 5, 2016 - Reply

      @lis

      what can I say I am almost in tears because you let us know that all our young people are not lost because you are mature enough to do some critical thinking, do some research, look in the mirror and reevaluate your position which we all should do periodically especially on critical issue. One thing we must look at and that is who make us turn against our heroes/champions and how do they make us turn on our heroes/champions, the same people who made Jesus the Christ people turn against him made us turn against our heroes/champions, the same people who made us turn on Marcus Garvey is making us turn on Bill Cosby, the same people who made us turn on Malcolm made us turn on Bill Cosby and his wife on queue, the same people who made of turn on all those heroes/champions is going to dig up some dirt, something negative in Dr. Martin Luther King Jr personal life and make us turn on him and help them destroy his legacy. Watch!

      • January 6, 2016 - Reply

        @trueletterson*vwfone@gmail.com

        THANK YOU

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