Yesha Callahan

Open Thread: Are You Here For The Transgender Television Trend?

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If there’s one thing that will forever be true about television, it’s that the medium loves to follow social trends. A few years ago you couldn’t turn on a TV show without seeing a gay character and we, of course, know that right now Hollywood’s TV producers are clearly having a Black woman moment (shout out to Kerry, Viola, Taraji, Sanaa, Tracee, and Gabrielle). But there’s another trend creeping upon us ever so subtly and that is the rise of the transgender actress.

By many accounts, Laverne Cox was the jumping off point. Though her storyline is one of many on Orange is the New Black — and not necessarily the most visible — inclusion of such a unique perspective in a wildly successful Netflix series was the perfect combination to turn the trans-advocate into an overnight success. It made others want to follow suit as well, as not long after Amazon Studios brought Transparent to life, a scripted series about the lives of an LA family who finds out their father, played by Jeffrey Tambor, is transgender. And now reality TV — for better or worse — is hopping on the trend. Just last month TLC debuted I Am Jazz, a reality TV series about a 14-year-old transgender girl and her family, and you’re, of course, familiar with I Am Cait, the documentary series about Bruce Jenner’s transformation to Caityln. Now it’s rumored even the Georgia peaches want a piece of the pie with stories circulating that transgender model Amiyah Scott is joining the cast of Real Housewives of Atlanta.

While now all of these series and actresses are novel, the question that lingers is whether these storylines and characters are just a fad that will fade out like the ’90s black sitcom or if one day it will become so common to see transgender men and women in TV roles it’s not even news. For the former, a lag already exists as all of the transgender icons currently discussed are men who have transitioned into women, leaving stories on the flip side of the coin to be desired. The same is true across the board from transgender models like Isis King and Geena Rocero to media mavens like Janet Mock, which only further adds to the burning question of whether the agenda in television is simply to follow what’s popular or establish an environment of true inclusion.

What do you say Clutchettes, are you here for the boom in transgender television? Do you think it’s here to stay?

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  1. August 22, 2015 - Reply

    First. Trans is not the only trend where the impact to males is being omitted. They do the same thing with lesbians. Besides Ellen & Robin Roberts, I can’t think of too many gay women on TV. And I have the same issue with that as I do with transwomen. It’s always seemingly okay for men (gay men, men who transition to women, hetero men, etc) to infiltrate women’s spaces, but never the other way around. We’re constantly (especially black women) being asked to embrace the dominant demographic, and I’m not here for it. I mean, think about RHOA. They’ve had several gay men, and now a soon to be transhousewife on that show about affluent women, but not a single lesbian housewife? I’m no LGBT advocate, but like I said, I’m not here for the men bogarting our spaces. I don’t care if that’s not PC, but that’s how I feel. I haven’t watched the Caitlyn thing. I know they also did a special before the reality series came out, and I only saw a few minutes of it before I was done (even that was by accident because I was flipping channels and they were rerunning it). I’m not on the Laverne bandwagon, and won’t be hopping on any time soon after learning about her petition to let a sex offender be transferred to a women’s prison. And I don’t even recognize the other names. Whether this trend sticks or not, it’s not something I’m gearing up for.

    Second, Clutch knows this type of article is just gonna start some mess between the pro-trans readers & the readers that aren’t here for it. So since I’m not in the mood to defend myself against anyone who thinks I’m transphobic, this will likely be my only comment on this article.

    • August 22, 2015 - Reply

      @Me

      The “pro trans readers” never address any of the valid issues you have brought up. They basically stick their fingers in their ears and blather on about transphobia.

    • August 22, 2015 - Reply

      @Me

      I’m definitely team “pro lgbt”….and I agree with *most* everything you’ve said. I’ve had a hard time articulating some of my thoughts on this but you’ve done a great job.

      People transitioning male-to-female make up most trans people in the media. Yet, I don’t really see them using that visibility to push for progress for all trans folks. They still carry male privilege. It’s similar to how you don’t see white gays really pushing for equality for all gay people; they are still blinded by white privilege.

      There’s got to be give and take, and you were spot on when you said women (esp. black women) are always being asked to give but never seem to get the chance to take. Laverne is actually the one that set me to thinking about this after her bullshit defense of that child rapist/ murderer. While I support LGBT+ folks, I just don’t see a natural born (cis) woman coming to that animal’s defense like that.

      • August 23, 2015 - Reply

        @PurpNGold1

        I’m LGB friendly but I don’t understand why the T is even there. Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual are all sexual identities while Transgender is about gender ( which by the way I don’t even believe in, I believe in sex.. but that’s another conversation) Transgender people can be “straight” so I don’t understand why they are even included in the LGB.

        “Laverne is actually the one that set me to thinking about this after her bullshit defense of that child rapist/ murderer. While I support LGBT+ folks, I just don’t see a natural born (cis) woman coming to that animal’s defense like that.”

        I agree and yet another reason I don’t believe in sex changes. Or calling born women “cis”

        • August 23, 2015 - Reply

          @Staci Elle

          I heard of more letters too. There is the LBGTQIA. Q stands for questioning, I stands for Inter sexual, and A stands for Asexual.

          • August 23, 2015 - Reply

            @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            Any thing that is a SEXUAL I can see being there but anything that is not like transgender shouldn’t be included.

            • August 23, 2015 - Reply

              @Staci Elle

              Goodnight Sister Staci Elle. Peace for now and I wish more blessings for you.

              • August 23, 2015 - Reply

                @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                You too Truth.

          • August 24, 2015 - Reply

            @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            It’s alphabet soup.

            • August 24, 2015 - Reply

              @Me

              I never heard of those other alphabets until a few months ago. I feel you Sister.

          • August 24, 2015 - Reply

            @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            There’s P for Pansexual. lol.

            • August 24, 2015 - Reply

              @AfroCapricornette

              You’re right Sister.

        • August 23, 2015 - Reply

          @Staci Elle

          Exactly, ITA on that “cis” nonsense. Been a woman all my life, and now I’m supposed to refer to myself as a word I had to google? Please.

      • August 28, 2015 - Reply

        @PurpNGold1

        LGB and T are entirely different and have never had the same goals. LGB say that enforcing gender is harmful, males should be able to be feminine or masculine and females should be able to be masculine or feminine without prejudice, but transgenders support the “gender binary” by saying “if you like to dress feminine, you ARE a woman,” and proud gay males shouldn’t be able to dress in drag because it’s insulting to males who dress in drag and call themselves female. LGB’s goals and T’s goals are diametrically opposed, and they really need to separate. Transgenders are calling lesbians who won’t have sex with “girldicks” bigots, and gay men who don’t fancy the “male vagina,” are transphobic.

    • August 22, 2015 - Reply

      @Me

      Here’s the thing. It’s not a man bombarding a woman’s space because she’s a woman. She didn’t choose to be a woman. She was born with male parts. Bravo does have gay women in their RHs franchises just not Atlanta yet. Also yes a trans person needs to go to the respective prison based on the gender that they feel they are. I don’t know why people think women’s prison is all cupcakes and cherries. Women are sex offenders too. They all there for a reason. I’m pro do you. Feel the way you feel but respect people. I do think Caitlyn Jenner is making a mockery of it. You don’t need a tv show and magazine covers. Do you. Be you. Don’t clutter my TV and news. I am ready for people to stop coming out. If these feelings are normal to you just live your life normally. Stop announcing stuff.

      I also think this a SEVERE reach on Bravos part because what does she do that warrants her being on this show? She’s not married. All I know if she instagram famous.

      • August 22, 2015 - Reply

        @Rocky

        I wonder how many transmen (ie female born “men”) would be placed in male prisons. I’m pretty sure that would NEVER happen. Wonder why…

        Yes, women are sex offenders as well, but the number is not comparable to male sex offenders—particularly in regard to violent offenses.

        • August 22, 2015 - Reply

          @Jae Bee

          Actually they do go to male prison. Just google an example.

          The point was making an issue with the person being sent to a women’s prison being a sex offender. As if some of the women in the prison aren’t in there for a sexual offense. As if women’s prison is a cakewalk like somehow this sexual offending transperson will make the prison unsafe. Women are in prison for all types of violent crimes. If a transwoman goes to a female prison she is subject to the same amount of violence based on prison atmosphere. It’s still gangs, cliques and overall female pettiness. Prison is prison.

          • August 22, 2015 - Reply

            @Rocky

            Yes prison is prison but just because there are woman rapists and murderers in prison doesn’t mean it’s safe and fair for prison to be coed. Otherwise why do we bother to have separate prisons at all?

            And I Googled it and found nothing on these transmen in men’s prisons you speak of.

            • August 23, 2015 - Reply

              @Saber

              It’s not coed because uh she’s a woman. You obviously didn’t google hard enough because several popped up for me.

              • August 23, 2015 - Reply

                @Rocky

                Men on average are taller, have longer limbs relative to height and thus better reach, larger hands and feet, less pain receptors, have larger absolute lung capacity, denser bones, and heavier skeletons even excluding the debatable muscle mass issue. Etc. Etc. Sex isn’t just about penises vs vaginas. Putting violent male bodied people in with women just because those violent male bodied people say hey I feel like I am a woman as well is insane.

                And twice now you’ve claimed trans men are in male prisons and all people should just Google, or do it better. Maybe you should just provide the damn links?

                • August 23, 2015 - Reply

                  @Saber

                  Maybe you should just google it. It’s Sunday. I’m off work. Trust me it’s there. LOL

                  So now you’re calling women weak? Ok. Again women are in prison with other violent women everyday. It’s prison. Get over it.

                  • August 23, 2015 - Reply

                    @Rocky

                    I’m staying to think you’re trying to make trans rights advocates look bad on purpose.

                    Yes, women on average are weaker than men – you were seriously unaware of that until now? Why did you think that they are placed in separate prisons, on separate sports teams? For fun? You sound more like a religious zealot than someone making a fact based argument.

                    And no – they aren’t there. I’ve called a couple people out who’ve made that same ridiculous claim, and magically none of you seem to be able to produce proof that these transmen are milling around in Gen Pop in men’s prisons.

                    • August 24, 2015 - Reply

                      @Saber

                      I think you’re trying to make yourself look bad. I don’t work for you. I am not obligated to do the research for you. Get over yourself. Educate yourself. Climb out of your ignorance by yourself.

                      • August 24, 2015 - Reply

                        @Rocky

                        If after all of these years the best trans rights advocates can come up with is “Transwomen should be in women’s prisons, the same way transmen are in men’s prisons, I promise the latter is true just take my word for it” the lot of you are going to continue to lag behind lesbian and gay people in terms of furthering your goals. Your arguments are based on some weird faith-based quicksand that defies basic science. “Transwomen are women too, feeling like a woman changes everything about their physical bodies because mind over matter” isn’t exactly a compelling case.

                        • August 28, 2015 - Reply

                          @Saber

                          Well, of course, the trans movement’s ideology is incredibly flawed, filled with cognitive dissonance, and completely illogical tenets. How else are you going to convince people that there is such a thing as “innate gender,” when neurotypical people understand gender as just being whatever body, by chance, you were born into?

                          A female trapped in a male’s body? Hogwash. It’s called autogynephilia.

                      • August 28, 2015 - Reply

                        @Rocky

                        Just so everyone reading this knows, the GenderTrender blog has this tactic listed as the first trans trope. They will always try to convince you that you just “haven’t done the research.” Even when you have. For years. You still can’t access the “inner sanctum” of transiosity, like some sort of cult.

                  • August 23, 2015 - Reply

                    @Rocky

                    “Maybe you should just google it.”

                    It would take less time for you to provide this information you claim is factually correct, than it does for you to go back and forth calling folks ignorant by putting words in their mouths.

                    • August 28, 2015 - Reply

                      @Vintage

                      He can’t provide the links because he’s a liar and he’s trying to trick women into thinking he’s privy to research that’s far too sophisticated for our little brains. In short, he’s lying and then calling us ignorant because he can’t back up his arguments. Basically, he’s trying to gaslight women. Trans activists, and the transgender agenda is profoundly anti-woman.

                  • August 28, 2015 - Reply

                    @Rocky

                    Rocky, IT’S NOT THERE, and NO, we don’t have to trust you, because you’re lying, and calling people ignorant despite the fact that WE HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH, and NO, TRANS MEN ARE NOT HOUSED WITH MEN. They have female bodies that are much more likely to be sexual assaulted, so why in the hell would they be housed with male criminals?

                    “So now you’re calling women weak?” This is a patriarchal reversal. When women acknowledge that as a general rule, women are physically weaker than males (it’s called sexual dimorphism), males like Rocky try to turn it around like it’s an insult rather than an observation.

                    The transgender activists do the same thing with “you’re reducing women to walking vaginas when you say women have vaginas.” NO. I won’t take it. It’s wrong and it’s misogynist. Women are more than the sum of our body parts, but those body parts are what make us targets of rape and misogyny, so they are IMPORTANT to our lived experiences.

                  • August 28, 2015 - Reply

                    @Rocky

                    It would behoove any woman reading these comments or debating with misogynist trans activists to learn about sociopathic manipulations. I’ve noticed that the trans activists seem to be very adept at using these tactics.

                • August 23, 2015 - Reply

                  @Saber

                  “Sex isn’t just about penises vs vaginas. ”

                  Thank you for breaking this down with some science. Cutting off a d___ and putting on a wig does NOT make someone a woman, sorry for my crassness. Plus I didn’t know men have less pain receptors, that’s interesting.

              • August 28, 2015 - Reply

                @Rocky

                “Didn’t Google hard enough.” LOL! Trans men choose to be housed with females because females are less likely to rape, and trans men have FEMALE bodies, so they are at even greater risk of sexual assault. Quit trying to gaslight women. We know your kind.

          • August 22, 2015 - Reply

            @Rocky

            You might wanna google that same sex offender’s letter to the NY Daily News. While Cox is worrying about getting that animal next to women, he was busy plotting how to create future serial killers. Who in their right mind would lock someone up like that in a facility full of his victim’s demographic?

            • August 23, 2015 - Reply

              @Me

              So she’s a woman too and there are women serial killers in prison too. Do ya’ll think she’s going to a ocean side resort? She’s going to prison where there are other women killers and rapists.

              • August 28, 2015 - Reply

                @Rocky

                Women don’t have penises to rape people with, that’s R-A-P-E, defined as “penetrate the body of the victim”. No trans prisoner or male prisoner or staff member for that matter, is in any danger of being raped by a female inmate.

                Also, women’s brains aren’t soaked in the testosterone that makes one class of human beings several standard deviations more violent than the other. All the synthetic estrogen in the world isn’t going to compensate for 16 or 18 years of a brain marinating in maleness.

                You need to “Google It”. Start with the FBI crime statistics and work from there.

                • August 30, 2015 - Reply

                  @Anna Keye

                  >>> R-A-P-E, defined as “penetrate the body of the victim”.

                  Therefore a post op trans woman is also incapable of RAPE and are just as likely or more likely to being a *victim* of rape.

                  Thanks for playing.

                  • August 31, 2015 - Reply

                    @Honky Tonk Woman

                    “(Post op Trans) women don’t have penises”

                    Most trans “women” do not undergo sex reassignment surgery though so stop it. And even with that being said they still on average have larger frames longer arms and more strength than women.

                    “Therefore a post op trans woman is also incapable of RAPE and are just as likely or more likely to being a *victim* of rape.”

                    Victim of rape by whom? Men right? So I as a woman am supposed to make myself less safe because MEN could possibly rape a trans “woman” while there is a chance a trans “woman” could rape me? Nah bruh. trans “women” should have their own shelters, portions of prisons etc. away from women.

                    • August 31, 2015 - Reply

                      @Staci Elle

                      I have so YOU stop and I’m a woman so stow your intolerance. Just reading your posts tells me you have much more aggression than I ever display so therefore I would be in greater peril in your presence.

                      =)

                      • August 31, 2015 - Reply

                        @Honky Tonk Woman

                        “I have so YOU stop and I am a woman so stow your intolerance and your insolence. You engage in condescension by putting the words *women* and *woman* after __trans__ in quotes. That’s quite infantile.”

                        If trans “women” are women what are they transitioning from? why the need to transition to something you already are? Words have meaning and no silly ho like yourself will ever censor me. I believe in sex not gender aka your fairy tales and delusions. Your a man just deal with it.

                        “Just reading your posts tells me you show much more aggression and hostility to others than I ever display so therefore I would be in greater peril in *your* presence, bruh. But I carry mace and I’m never hesitant to defend myself and my loved ones. Full stop. Period.”

                        The only thing you have to fear from me is getting clowned.And unlike a tranny, I’m not threatened by you or anyone else questioning my womanhood, because I am a woman and always have been. The baby in my womb tells me more than you ever could about being a woman silly ho. And your Mace? Just like a man to threaten a woman with violence, you woman hating men never change even after inverting your penises and going on hormones. LMAO please I got my husband and he has no problem defending his home which includes his wife and his children. but thanks for the laugh dude 😀

                        • August 31, 2015 - Reply

                          @Staci Elle

                          Why would you clown someone? You really are a special kind of person. The one that any sane woman would stay clear of. I flagged you for calling her a tranny and a ho. Those are slurs.
                          It’s apparent that you are very insecure about your own self. Oh well, keep trying but you’re only showing you lack dignity and self-respect, two things that are important for mature women.

                          • August 31, 2015 - Reply

                            @Monique Ness

                            Because ya’ll are funny! And thanks my husband, family , friends and now even my enemys agree that Im special? I’m Fing winning in this piece! My question to you is why you jumped in to a conversation that you have no part in, Afraid that your pal honky tonk man cant hold his own? Have faith and give him a chance. And lets just say I respect myself too much to pretend that words don’t have meanings and to ignore science to cater to delusions of people who need to psychological help.

                            • August 31, 2015 - Reply

                              @Staci Elle

                              Flagged again for displaying hostility. I let you resume playing with your LEGOS now.

                              >>>>now even my enemys agree that Im special

                              I see you also failed Sarcasm 1.0 Keep the anger coming! Your enemies? NOPE, you’re the only one with hate in your heart. Shameful.

                              • August 31, 2015

                                @Monique Ness

                                IDAF about being flagged you are a child. lol

                              • August 31, 2015

                                @Staci Elle

                                The more you lash out at others the more you embarrass yourself. I suggest you quit before you lose what little dignity you have left.

                              • August 31, 2015

                                @Monique Ness

                                Man please just because you want it to be so doesn’t make it so, read the comments on here no one who regularly comments on here believes that you guys are women so stop it. Take your delusions and exit stage left, if you actually think that more 1% of people in this comment thread agree with your ass you are lying to yourself. Black people are not buying into the whole trans delusion Good day sir.

                              • August 31, 2015

                                @Staci Elle

                                Flagged again! You won’t bully me. I’m here so get used to me.

                              • August 31, 2015

                                @Monique Ness

                                Boy didn’t I say I didn’t care about being flagged?

                              • August 31, 2015

                                @Staci Elle

                                Flagged. Keep it up and they will block you.

                              • August 31, 2015

                                @Monique Ness

                                Im not pressed…

                              • August 31, 2015

                                @Staci Elle

                                >>>>> Black people are not buying into the whole trans delusion Good day.

                                Because, of course, you’re the self-appointed spokesperson for ALL black people. Delusion is rich within you. So I guess you really believe you represent more than only yourself. LMAO

                        • August 31, 2015 - Reply

                          @Staci Elle

                          The more you insult her the more you look shameful but that’s just your own insecurities you are projecting. NO one is buying that you are comfortable with your sense of self.. Poor thing.

                          • August 31, 2015 - Reply

                            @Monique Ness

                            The more you comment the thirstier you look, and by no one you mean you and that man? Im well known on here and get along with 99% of the women on here so no one cares about 2 dudes that only popped in on this thread and have never commented on any issues effecting black women on this site.

                            • August 31, 2015 - Reply

                              @Staci Elle

                              I’m a female so stop your lies. One doesn’t have to be black to post here. Bully someone else.

                              • August 31, 2015

                                @Monique Ness

                                lol! you spoke to me first yet I’m bullying YOU? dude please, you guys stay losing.

                              • August 31, 2015

                                @Staci Elle

                                You are bullying. You are name calling and insulting and now telling me that because I’n not black my posts have no relevance. Flagged again.

                              • August 31, 2015

                                @Monique Ness

                                LMAO! You can post wherever you like . The point is you don’t care about black women you care about men with the delusion that they are women and everyone here will see that when they read your comments. Cheers! and again are you five? no one cares about being flagged.

                              • August 31, 2015

                                @Staci Elle

                                You embarrass black women with your hostility and the only black woman you represent is yourself.. I will post what I so desire regardless of my skin color.

                              • August 31, 2015

                                @Monique Ness

                                “You embarrass black women with your hostility and the only black woman you represent is yourself”

                                Will you listen to yourself, you dummy? I embarrass black women.. yet I only represent myself? how do those things happen at the same time? white privilege is a powerful drug I tell ya. We are going to have fun laughing at your ass on here dude so welcome! Luckily, you only embarrass yourself so Cheers.

                                * I’m about to go lay in bed with my husband so you stay thirsty ok? and I m sure you’ll rack your pea brain long and hard all night so I can have lots of laughs when I wake up in the morning so I will look forward to that.*

                              • August 31, 2015

                                @Staci Elle

                                You have serious anger issues. I suggest you consult an psychologist for anger management.

                              • August 31, 2015

                                @Staci Elle

                                I see you have to keep telling everyone that you have a husband. LMAO . Do you always remind yourself of that in case you forgot who you are and what you are fighting?

                      • August 31, 2015 - Reply

                        @Honky Tonk Woman

                        Bravo! Don’t let anyone suggest that being trans means one is automatically a suspect to commit rape. That’s insanity an it’s also a way for some to dehumanize trans women. I consider the source, girl.
                        LMAO

              • August 28, 2015 - Reply

                @Rocky

                HE is a man, and he needs to be housed with other MEN. Just because a few female serial killers have existed in history, doesn’t mean that women are AS LIKELY to be serial killers and rapists as males. That is laughable, completely false, and you are a straight-up MRA and LIAR.

          • August 28, 2015 - Reply

            @Rocky

            NO. You are wrong. Women are not as violent as men, female prisoners do not rape at the same rate as male prisoners, and far fewer women commit sexual violence to wind up in prison. That is a joke, and you are just another transgender MRA trying to convince people of the nonsense that women rape at the same rate as males. That is patently false, and you can’t find a statistic anywhere credible that supports this notion. Did you know 80% of transwomen keep their penis? Did you know 27% of transwomen are HIV positive? Violent male criminals should not be housed with female prisoners, I don’t care how much they like to wear dresses and makeup, that is a human rights violation to house women with HIV-infected, penis-wielding MEN.

            • August 30, 2015 - Reply

              @GenderlynJones

              >>>>>that is a human rights violation to house women with HIV-infected, penis-wielding MEN.

              Comedy gold. When is your first night on stage at the Improv?

      • August 22, 2015 - Reply

        @Rocky

        No, she’s not “a woman”. She’s a man who thinks he feels like a woman. That doesn’t make him a woman even if folks want to act like changing names & pronouns has the magical powers to change your biology. Trans folks can have as many surgeries as they want to LOOK like women, but none of that actually MAKES them women.

        • August 23, 2015 - Reply

          @Me

          Cosign. I consider myself pretty liberal, but I feel that society has been forced to participate and even celebrate this all encompassing delusion. I say this with no animus.

        • August 23, 2015 - Reply

          @Me

          If she feels she’s a woman and transitions to become a woman then I’ll honor that request lol it costs nothing to respect their decision.

          • August 25, 2015 - Reply

            @Rocky

            Therein lies the fundamental disagreement: I don’t believe in sex / gender as a “decision.” I believe in sex as a biological fact. Style of dress and surgery does not change biological fact. To think otherwise comes off as delusional.

          • August 28, 2015 - Reply

            @Rocky

            Actually, Rocky, you’ve made it very clear that it does cost something to respect transgender male feelings. It costs women their privacy, it costs female prisoners their safety, and it costs women their instincts.

            We’re not allowed to say transgender males are males and therefore we are at greater risk of being raped and murdered by them (especially considering the statistics on transwomen’s narcissistic rage and mental illness).

            We are only allowed to say that transwomen are exactly like female (except they make better women, of course!) and deserve to come in our locker rooms, female prisons, and males who feel like women get to play on women’s sports teams.

            Oh yeah, don’t forget, now transgender male crimes are being counted as women’s crimes, and lesbians don’t even have the right to say no to penis anymore without being considered “bigots” with “monosexual privilege.”

            Tell me, Rocky, what DOESN’T it cost women to respect male transgenders as women?

      • August 22, 2015 - Reply

        @Rocky

        “Also yes a trans person needs to go to the respective prison based on the gender that they feel they are.” I disagree with this thought because I had a friend who was in a homeless shelter. There was a man who claimed to be a woman housed in the same room as she and two other ladies. This man was a pervert, but the shelter couldn’t not dispute his claim or remove him from the room because he claimed he was a woman even though he had a deep voice and a beard. He would always inquire about my friend’s boob size and the size of her bras. The ladies would have to undress in front of this man unless they went to the communal bathroom for privacy. Thankfully, she eventually left that shelter. The point of that story was to say that just because someone makes a claim, doesn’t mean it’s so. There’s a fine line between someone’s rights and the rights to other’s privacy. JMO.

        • August 23, 2015 - Reply

          @Noirluv45

          How do you know that the questions that the woman was asking wasn’t curiousity to their own personal transition? What else besides asking about bra sizes did this woman do because I ask people the same questions as a woman and I’m not being perverse?

          • August 23, 2015 - Reply

            @Rocky

            How do you know he wasn’t a perv? There have several cases of trans “women” raping woman born women.If you’re born with male parts you’re a male. there are have feminine men and masculine women since the dawn of time and there’s nothing wrong with that, I refuse to accept that a person can change their sex- that is ridiculous.

            • August 23, 2015 - Reply

              @Staci Elle

              There are cases of women raping women. And? Just because they ask about a bra size doesn’t automatically make them perverted. That is your prejudice making that judgment. Just because they are trans doesn’t make them sexual deviants. That is ignorant and ridiculous.

              • August 23, 2015 - Reply

                @Rocky

                “There are cases of women raping women. And? ”

                All this statement means is that you don’t care about born women. You’d rather be concerned wit men with a delusion.

                “Just because they are trans doesn’t make them sexual deviants.”

                Nope it sure doesn’t, but with these trans “women” who are also straight men ( basically, they think they should be considered lesbians- like bruce jenner) I wouldn’t want to even take the chance and I should have to.

                • August 23, 2015 - Reply

                  @Staci Elle

                  I’m a woman so I care about women who were born women as I am one but I’m not ignorant so there’s that. Rapist be raping. Murderers be murdering. Thieves be thieving. Liars stay lying. That has nothing to do with gender or transitioning to another gender.

                  • August 23, 2015 - Reply

                    @Rocky

                    You statement reeked of not caring about women. You can believe what you like but I will never agree that one can change their sex. There is nothing wrong with feminine men or masculine women ( there have always been people who didn’t act in stereotypical ways and I support that) but sex is sex it cannot be changed.

                    • August 23, 2015 - Reply

                      @Staci Elle

                      What I care about is PEOPLE. Humans. I will never judge someone and be ignorant. That’s it. How you feel is how you feel. I’m respectful. If someone wants to be a tiger. They’re a tiger. Who cares? It costs me nothing to respect a decision that they make whether it’s something I personally understand or not. You writing a human being off as being a pervert for no good reason is dangerous.

                      • August 23, 2015 - Reply

                        @Rocky

                        “How you feel is how you feel. I’m respectful. If someone wants to be a tiger. They’re a tiger.”

                        You are far gone….

                        “You writing a human being off as being a pervert for no good reason is dangerous.”

                        If you want to have an issue with what I said get it right. I didn’t say that trans “women” were perverts, I said with all of the cases of them raping and playing peeping toms on women, lets not mention that men who rape and kill women and then want to transition to women in jail.. I don’t want to take the chance that I am dealing with a pervert, especially when I’m in a situation like going to a DV shelter or being nude in a locker room etc. I will not cater to the delusions of 0.5% pf the world when women are 51%

                        • August 24, 2015 - Reply

                          @Staci Elle

                          I live my life. I don’t worry about other people’s choices. I simply live my life and respect other people’s decisions as long as they are not illegal as we all should.

                          • August 28, 2015 - Reply

                            @Rocky

                            That’s male privilege. You don’t have to worry about people’s intentions, or the possibility that the guy changing next to you in the locker room has ulterior motives. I don’t wait until someone does something illegal to be on my guard. I can’t afford to.

                      • August 24, 2015 - Reply

                        @Rocky

                        Rocky, he was a man FRONTING as a female as it was OBVIOUS he was a male He would watch the ladies undress.

                        • August 24, 2015 - Reply

                          @Noirluv45

                          Are you the original poster? How do you know these were HER intentions lol

                          • August 24, 2015 - Reply

                            @Rocky

                            Yes, I am the OP. I don’t and they didn’t give a rat’s behind what HIS intentions were. What mattered was how these ladies felt. His intentions were not their problem. Maybe he’s still there and I can connect you with HIM so you can ask HIM yourself. Otherwise, just drop it, OK.

                          • August 28, 2015 - Reply

                            @Rocky

                            Well, because women are pretty good at protecting ourselves from rapists and creepers, and deal with that sh*t all the time, so we trust our instincts. Sometimes it’s a matter of life or death deciding if that dude watching us disrobe is “harmless and curious,” or planning on molesting/murdering us.

                            That’s why we have single-sex domestic violence shelters and locker rooms, so women don’t have to be on their guard when they are getting undressed or trying to heal from trauma.

                      • August 28, 2015 - Reply

                        @Rocky

                        “What I care about is PEOPLE. Humans.” That’s a classic line that MRAs use when they’re trying to act like they care about women, but have no qualms about exposing women to male violence.

                        No one is saying that ALL MEN rape, or ALL TRANSWOMEN are violent, but the statistics are clear: males are more violent and rape in far greater number than females. Women know this, and we act accordingly.

                  • August 23, 2015 - Reply

                    @Rocky

                    trans be transing? i couldn’t help it — sorry

                    • August 24, 2015 - Reply

                      @Rizzo

                      They do be transitioning. Lol

                      • August 24, 2015 - Reply

                        @Rocky

                        I have to agree — they are very busy people 🙂

                  • August 28, 2015 - Reply

                    @Rocky

                    You’re not a woman, you are a MtF transgender “transwoman.” It’s very obvious. I don’t know who you think you’re trying to fool, but you’re not fooling us.

                    Oh, and, yes, gender definitely makes a big difference when it comes to rape/murder statistics. If you were female, you would know that.

                    You’re walking at night down a dark road and someone’s walking behind you? You bet your a55 you’re going to breathe a sigh of relief when you find out that person is a born-female.

            • August 24, 2015 - Reply

              @Staci Elle

              If a trans ‘woman’ rapes a woman, how will that be handled legally? It’ll be a whole clusterf**k. Just imagine!

              • August 24, 2015 - Reply

                @AfroCapricornette

                The sad thing is that these crimes are counted as women’s crimes. A few months ago a saw an article about a woman being caught and arrested for bestiality and I was like WTF? I read the article and it was a trans “woman”, we will see the rate of crimes going up for” women” in the next few years and you’ll have to really peel back those layers to figure out why.

              • August 28, 2015 - Reply

                @AfroCapricornette

                Well, it has happened! Check out the blog AllisonsLaw on wordpress.

          • August 23, 2015 - Reply

            @Rocky

            You ask women you don’t know their bra size? Ok.

            I don’t care if someone is “transitioning”; a stranger has NO business asking someone they don’t know personal questions about their private anatomy. In any environment that is not only inappropriate and ALSO perverse, but in someplace like a shelter where a woman’s physical safety is already jeopardized, it can be downright dangerous. Add a beard and deep voice (and probably still with masculine muscles), that shit is scary to boot. Sounds like a damn horror movie plot.

            How do you think a natural born man would react to a trans woman to man asking them about their penis size in a locker room, think that would go over well? A natural born woman is not here to educate someone about boob sizes, vaginas, etc. any more than Black people are here to educate Whites about what it’s like to be us.

            No one is being ignorant–you don’t have the same high standards of protecting your personal safety as others have noted for themselves. Simple as that.

            • August 24, 2015 - Reply

              @Vintage

              Thank you!

          • August 23, 2015 - Reply

            @Rocky

            You ask women who are complete strangers to you about their bra size? In situations where they are either half dressed or fully undressed?!

            • August 24, 2015 - Reply

              @Jae Bee

              Exactly, Jae.

            • August 24, 2015 - Reply

              @Jae Bee

              I have had dozens of conversations with women and they ask me about mine and I don’t think twice about it.

              • August 24, 2015 - Reply

                @Rocky

                Again…are they complete strangers and are either of you in a state of undress when these questions are asked?

          • August 24, 2015 - Reply

            @Rocky

            Rocky, I don’t know the reasoning behind the questions asked to my friend, but it made my friend very uncomfortable. Keep in mind, the “woman” was a man. He was in a woman’s shelter fronting as a woman, but he wasn’t a woman. He had a beard and a deep voice. You asked what else he did. He watched the ladies get undressed.

            • August 28, 2015 - Reply

              @Noirluv45

              Noirluv45, Rocky is a misogynist transgender male. He is displaying typical MRA transgender male behavior. He is trying to convince women that males are “female inside,” when we damn well know how males behave and we can spot them from a mile away. He doesn’t care that your friends were uncomfortable, “validating his gender feelings” is more important to him than the safety of females.

          • August 28, 2015 - Reply

            @Rocky

            Only a man would think asking strange women their bra sizes is not “creepy” or “perverted.” This is how we can tell that transwomen are decidedly NOT women. No woman would consider this behavior acceptable.

      • August 28, 2015 - Reply

        @Rocky

        “Female brain” is incredibly sexist, and it’s a concept invented by the gender-psychiatric complex to pathologize male femininity. Nobody believes that crap. No one is “born with the wrong parts,” including people who are born with deformities. That’s just the way they were born.

        Someone who is born with a Y chromosome, testicles, and a penis is MALE…there is no changing that. Transgender is not the same as intersex, and intersex people have asked not to be tokens of the transgender movement’s debates. They have medical conditions and can address them in the ways they see fit. That is entirely different from males who want to perform femininity.
        Most MtF people are autogynephiles. I have hundreds of screenshots on my computer of males saying they transitioned to transwomen because of their obsessive masturbatory fantasies.

        The only female brains exist inside female bodies. Y’know, the reproductive category that includes people who lack a Y chromosome? “Women” are not an idea in some man’s head. We are human beings who are only “women” because we belong in that reproductive category, not because we like wearing dresses, wearing makeup, being submissive, etc.

    • August 23, 2015 - Reply

      @Me

      Exactly. I doubt that a transgender man (female-to-male) would be able to infiltrate cis hetero male spaces the way that so many women seemingly accept trans women with open arms. Why don’t we see the likes of Chaz Bono on The cover of Men’s Health and GQ magazine the same way Laverne Cox is on the cover of Essence? It’s just a disguised form of male privelege. Same with how so many men (gay and straight) dominate the female fashion and cosmetic industries…but it would never be the other way around.

  2. August 22, 2015 - Reply

    No, I’m not for it. I think it’s a fad that will soon blow away in the wind like every other trend. In fact, the inundation of the transgendered subject is just another attempt to push the LBGT communities’ agenda.

    • August 28, 2015 - Reply

      @Noirluv45

      The T’s agenda is not the LGB’s agenda.

      • August 30, 2015 - Reply

        @GenderlynJones

        Good riddance you cowardly TERF. You deleted all your cowardly posts..
        LMAO

  3. August 22, 2015 - Reply

    No

  4. August 22, 2015 - Reply

    I think that people have the right to agree or disagree with the lifestyle. TV always evolves and some people in certain alternative lifestyles claim to be superior morally and socially than anyone else (especially naturally born women). I don’t think that just because someone is not looking for trans people on TV that this person is transphobic or a bigot. People have diverse interests.

    • August 22, 2015 - Reply

      @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

      Truth, someone on here (I don’t remember the thread) mentioned quality TV for Black people. I mentioned this wonderful show called, “Under One Roof,” with James Earl Jones, Vanessa Bell Calloway and Joe Morton. Do you remember that show? It was a wonderful show about a Black family under one roof. I don’t think it lasted one season. I was saddened when it was canceled because when there have been attempts at good, positive and wholesome programming for us, the ratings don’t keep them on the air. Foolishness seems to be the appetite for the many in our communities because these reality shows are growing in number. One reality show I loved was, “The Six Little McGhees” on OWN about a Black couple with sextuplets. Unfortunately, OWN did not renew the show. I don’t think there was enough drama to keep people interested even though many claimed they loved the show.

      • August 22, 2015 - Reply

        @Noirluv45

        II Quality black TV shows are one great staple of our people’s culture. I think I have remembered a little of the show Under One Roof. It was a show that outlined urban life, but it never promoted negative stereotypes. I heard of the show from OWN. For some reason, some in Hollywood think of it as taboo to massively feature strong black families on TV during the 21st century. Unnecessary drama and human exploiation sells. Just because we ain’t the Waltons doesn’t mean some should our stories. Bounce does show Roc to Bounce’s credit.

        • August 22, 2015 - Reply

          @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

          I’m so happy Bounce TV was created. I think MLK, III was one of the founders. They do have some great up and coming family shows on there that they’ve been piloting over the years. It’s taking some time to pick up steam, but I hope they keep trying to get a few to stick. I love family programming. I’m so tired of dramas in general regardless of the race. I feel like TV is overloaded with dramas.

          • August 22, 2015 - Reply

            @Me

            Bounce TV is so cool. I didn’t know that it existed until a few years ago. Yes, MLK III and Andrew Young were some of the founders of the network. They do advance many new shows. Their up and coming shows show humor mixed with cohesive storylines. Dramas are very common throughout television. I love Unsung too from TVOne. Unsung is my jank 🙂 Jank is a VA slang word for joint. You know that I will show some VA favor from time to time. Unsung show stories about musicians and it is a very excellent series. Family programming is great. Many people on great family shows remind us of friends or relatives that we know in real life.

            • August 22, 2015 - Reply

              @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

              I never even heard of it. Oh, Truth, Unsung is my jank too (I’m stealing from you because I never heard the word before – LOL!) It is truly TV One’s best and most popular shows. I’ve only skipped over a few episodes usually featuring rap artists because I wasn’t familiar with them. However, before I rejected an episode, I would try to catch at least the first 10 minutes to see if it was of interest to me.

              • August 23, 2015 - Reply

                @Noirluv45

                Yes, Unsung is a classic show. Its earlier seasons didn’t show rap artists. Heavy D is one of their best episodes on an hip hop artists. Some of their greatest episodes dealt with Phyllis Hyman (who was a very underated singer), Tammi Terrell (an amazing singer), Vesta Williams, and David Ruffin. Unsung appeals to many people.

                • August 24, 2015 - Reply

                  @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                  I LOVE Unsung! Haven’t watched it in a while, are there new episodes? Donny Hathaway’s story was one of the most tragic and yes Vesta’s was so sad also she was getting her life back together. I didn’t see Phyllis’ episode, will have to look for it. One of the main things you realize when you watch that show is how insanely talented Black artists were in previous decades.

                  • August 24, 2015 - Reply

                    @Vintage

                    I love Unsung too. Yes, Phyllis’ episode was very sad (which is found in Youtube), even more sad than Vesta’s story in my opinion. Phyllis had a massively powerful voice and Vesta too. Vesta was always spiritual and she overcame so much just before she passed. Donny Hathaway was a legendary singer (whose talent was ahead of its time) and many singers today mimic Hathaway’s blueprint. There are new episodes. Mostly, the new episodes are about new school groups like Xscape, and an upcoming episode of Al B Sure. Black artists were incredibly talented back in the day. Also, you can listened to their records without skipping. There is Unsung Hollywood now, which talks about actresses, actors, and movie including TV shows like A Different World. I think the Al B Sure new episode will come on Wednesday night at 8 pm. EST.

          • August 22, 2015 - Reply

            @Me

            Blah! We don’t get it. 🙁 In fact, I never heard of it before.

            • August 23, 2015 - Reply

              @Noirluv45

              I’m so sad that you don’t get it. It definitely has a grassroots feel to it. Every time I watch, I keep wishing they had the budget to bring some up and coming Youtubers on so it could be a mutual come up.

              • August 24, 2015 - Reply

                @Me

                I am too, Me. 🙁

        • August 22, 2015 - Reply

          @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

          We have Directv. I’m going to check it out. I don’t recall ever seeing Bounce TV on the channel line-up. I checked, but, unfortunately, it’s not available on Directv. Drats! It most certainly is a breath of fresh air to see the beautify of the Black family which is the strength of our community. Perhaps that’s why they’ve been trying to dismantle it for years.

          • August 23, 2015 - Reply

            @Noirluv45

            I agree with you Sister.

            • August 24, 2015 - Reply

              @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

              Yes indeed.

  5. August 22, 2015 - Reply

    Nope. I don’t watch it. I don’t have time for foolishness. People get sucked into these fads. It’s never been entertaining at all. Bruce and these other people are constantly placed in completion with real women all the time. It’s just straight up nonsense. I’m pretty sure people will call me transphobic or whatever version of phobia they want to use. But, I call a spade a spade. Fads come and go. What’s next…transgender, lesbian, and gay dogs? People will be stupid enough to fall for that too.

  6. August 22, 2015 - Reply

    I don’t watch any of those shows so whether they have a trans – person on it isn’t going to pique my interest to tune in to them. I don’t transgender people are a fad but I do think Hollywood are using them to their own selfish agenda.

    • August 22, 2015 - Reply

      @binks

      Exactly Sister. Hollywood and others are known to promote stereotypes.

      • August 22, 2015 - Reply

        @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

        Exactly Truth. Don’t be surprised when you see them as the new “flamboyant sassy LGBT friend” especially black trans women so I hope nobody takes this as a sign of progress. Hollywood do things to make it appears like it is so progressive but once you read between the lines it is business as usual.

        • August 22, 2015 - Reply

          @binks

          Right. The corporate exploitation of black people (and spreading false stereotypes about black people) for profit is never progress. I have noticed that the real issues of many transpeople being homeless or suffering abuse will not be massively covered by these Hollywood-sponsored reality TV shows (that are used to disgrace people). Once people see the real truth, we see that the same agenda is being promoted (which is the omission of the upliftment of black people and the advancement of the status quo)

          • August 23, 2015 - Reply

            @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            ” I have noticed that the real issues of many transpeople being homeless or suffering abuse (including the epidemic of transpeople being murdered tragically) ”

            I’m here for stories about this. no one should be abused, murdered, raped etc. Trans people should be safe from harm and allowed all of rights of any other person. However, I will not pretend that you are a woman when you’re a man. I will call you what you like out of respect as a person but its doesn’t mean I believe you are the other sex.

            • August 24, 2015 - Reply

              @Staci Elle

              Exactly.

      • August 23, 2015 - Reply

        @truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

        All gender is, IS stereotypes. You like pink and playing with dolls? You MUST be a woman. Like sports and the color blue? You MUST be a man.

        • August 23, 2015 - Reply

          @Staci Elle

          That’s a very interesting point. Prince loved the color purple and there are female coaching leaders in the NFL now.

        • August 23, 2015 - Reply

          @Staci Elle

          Thank you. You know, I always found it “interesting” how trans people relate to western stereotypes/gender roles. If it is something that is in fact biological, how come we never see them perform the sex roles of those who are not of our culture? I’m sure indigenous women in the Amazon don’t have high heels and pink clothes to mark themselves as women–yet, those women still share a biological relation to all females throughout the world. What does a Laverne Cox have in common with an indigenous woman whose culture does not dictate that females are to like makeup, heels, and dresses?

          • August 23, 2015 - Reply

            @Jae Bee

            You will find when you listen to trans people talk about how they knew they were trans ( in the US) its always a collection of stereotypes. I liked playing with girls/boys, I liked this activity/clothing and didn’t like THIS activity/clothing. There is more than those things that make you a woman or man.

            • August 24, 2015 - Reply

              @Staci Elle

              Exactly. They basically package all women up into some box that sounds like a 6 year old created it after binge watching Disney movies. It’s very insulting to tell women that “feeling like a woman” sums up to what you wear and what your favorite color is. If that was the case then I would’ve been classified as a boy growing up because I wanted to do everything my big brother did. I never once equated what I CHOOSE to do with what or who I am, but society is letting trans folks define womanhood for people who never asked for a new definition to begin with. We rather let them pretend it’s normal to think you’re something that you can’t possibly be than to call it what it really is: psychosis.

              • August 24, 2015 - Reply

                @Me

                Girl, You hit that nail on the head so hard…. I love comic books underground hip hop, video games and chuck taylors. I’m obviously a man right? ( rolls eyes)

          • August 24, 2015 - Reply

            @Jae Bee

            Great point! Transgender is nothing but a mental disorder where someone embodies a western gender stereotype other than the one they were born as to the point that they completely lose sight of reality. But let me not say that outloud, because next thing you know, the media is gonna scour the earth trying to find Africa’s first transgender woman from some remote village so they can make an international case about it.

            • August 24, 2015 - Reply

              @Me

              Oh, believe me, there are African trans women. There are a handful resident in major African cities that dress like women but haven’t done surgery because of the expense, obviously. I read of one African trans female that lives in Germany; she’s also bleached to high heavens with a yellow (not blonde) weave/wig and she looks comical with that colour! Good for her because…hmmn. Africans are not accepting of homosexuality let alone transgendered persons.

              • August 28, 2015 - Reply

                @AfroCapricornette

                Africans not being accepting of homosexuality may be the reason there are African transwomen. Just like in Iran, where they perform sex change surgeries on gay people to “correct” their sexuality, some gay men will pretend to be women in order to escape homophobia. Most transwomen in the United States are autogynephiles, which is different, though. That, I believe, is more of a side effect of porn addiction and depression/OCD.

  7. August 22, 2015 - Reply

    I’m a great believer in “live and let live”. If it doesn’t affect/harm me or people out here who look like me, I don’t have an issue with it. I have no interest in telling other people how to live their lives.

  8. August 22, 2015 - Reply

    I’m here for it. I’m all for platforms that give stigmatized social groups a voice. I only watch I Am Jazz occasionally when it comes on. My main takeaway from that show is that I’m thankful I’m an only child and I don’t have any siblings.

    Other shows I like that are kind of in the same vein as I Am Jazz, are Little People, Big World, My Little Family, My 600-lb Life and most recently My Giant Life. I especially like My Giant Life because it profiles the lives of tall (over 6’6) WOMEN. For men, height can be a boon, not so much for women.

  9. August 23, 2015 - Reply

    To be honest, they are only bringing in that Amyiah Scott to be ratchet and ignorant any. If anything, this is an embarrassment to trans women because it would just add more stereotypes to the list. I would not be surprised if she gets into argument with the other women on the show saying that she is more of a women than them or something like that. That is what reality tv is. Trash and drama. I still have a long way to go to understand trans women’s issues and to be more sympathetic ( I will own up to that), and I have a problem with Orange is the new black and how the cis black women’s characterizations are masculine while the sole trans black woman is feminine. I mean we havent had a good feminine black woman on t.v. for a long time until Scandal. So, that does give me pause. I am not saying black female masculinity is bad, but I wish there was a better balance on the show. However, I will say I am trying to understand trans women even though it has been a struggle. And I know I will probably get folks angry at me for admitting that. But I am being truthful.

    • August 24, 2015 - Reply

      @gg

      There’s nothing wrong with admitted that. I am pro black and other poc, women, trans, fat people, ugly people, poor people, uneducated, children, the elderly, and disabled, whatever and whoever as long as you are not hurting others. And yet I struggle with understanding trans identities and also agree with some of the sentiments stated above. For example I do sometimes wonder if gender wasn’t so coded in society would trans people still need to identify as such. But while im for all of these stupid and demeaning reality shows to be taken off the air, I am happy that in other sections of media that transwomen are getting exposure. Now we also need the stories of transmen to be told as well.

  10. August 30, 2015 - Reply

  11. August 30, 2015 - Reply

    I comment on posts that attempt to *shame* and *dehumanize* trans people.

    ___Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown..___

    Get used to it.

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